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Humanness in the Age of AI

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Re: Humanness in the Age of AI

#41
Sam Altman is behind both OpenAI and Worldcoin, the latter being a well known scam to gather biometric data.

So Sam Altman first creates the situation that we can no longer distinguish humans from bots, then asks everyone to trust him with even more biometric data to get around the problem he created.

Either way he wins at everyone else’s expense. I urge you to not take this at face value, Sam has already shown with Worldcoin that he is not trustworthy.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/richardnieva/worldcoin-...

Re: Humanness in the Age of AI

#43

I'm perfectly happy to let AI run its course and totally destroy reddit, Wikipedia, Google, Twitter, Amazon, Facebook and so on with endless content that everyone can just ignore. Let the humans get back to IRL.

What’s wrong with Wikipedia? It’s probably one of the best things that came out of the internet.

Re: Humanness in the Age of AI

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ELI5, how does this work? It claims to both identify humans and be zero knowledge. What’s to stop me registering a bunch of times then letting my bot use my identities? The answer is implied to be my iris scan. But then it isn’t zero knowledge for some entity is it? Unless it is relying on the Orb never being hacked? Any good third party write ups on it? The WorldCoin page is a bit long and doesn’t quickly explain ho…

Seems it creates an "iris code" from the iris scan. Then they want to develop some new hash function to hash the iris code to get an iris hash. This iris hash should then be stored in some decentralised database like a blockchain or something. https://worldcoin.org/blog/developers/privacy-deep-dive

So if you damage your iris you're fucked ?

Re: Humanness in the Age of AI

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People aren't going to submit themselves to biometric checks just to post stuff on reddit... These social media will probably die when people realize that they are wasting their time answering bots, but these bots will take over soon or later.

Ok what about going to court, submitting evidence - a video of someone committing fraud?

I'd rather like it if I was able to submit evidence in court without giving a scan of my iris to an agent working for an overseas registered cryptocurrency startup, and don't really see how Worldcoin helps either way with authenticating my video...

Re: Humanness in the Age of AI

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Their claimed goals and ethics sound pretty compelling. Something along these lines was strongly called for, and if their project ends up serving the general role that they seem to be pursuing, it might serve as an essential element of future society -- either directly or as an early work. Then it's also great to see that they seem to be pretty open about stuff, [including their hardware]( https://worldcoin.org/blog/…

> Their claimed goals and ethics sound pretty compelling. Yet their actual ethics are pretty abysmal. Worldcoin is a known scam. Notably, it’s also by Sam Altman, the CEO of OpenAI. https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi...

> Worldcoin is a known scam.

In what way is it a scam? For example, is it a pyramid-scheme, pump-and-dump, pretext to trick people into downloading malware, etc.?

[That story (2022-04-06)](https://www.technologyreview.com/2022/04/06/1048981/worldcoi... ) did offer one major concern:

> Others took issue with the company’s purported focus on fairness given that 20% of the coins had already been allocated: 10% to Worldcoin’s full-time employees, and another 10% to investors, like Andreessen Horowitz.

20% of coins being in the hands of a few does sound potentially pretty corrupting -- at least, if it's a system like Bitcoin, where there's a cap on the total such that, if mass-adopted, that small group of people would end up controlling 20% of the total wealth. But does it work like that?

Beyond that, it sounds like the article's suggesting that it's a scam to get iris-scans:

> Meanwhile, those who fear that the whole thing may have been a scam want to know what they’ve lost. “50 KS is not enough to give an eyeball away,” says Okach, the university student in Nairobi that spent a weekend recruiting others to Worldcoin. “That’s manipulation, taking advantage of students without clear clarification about what it is they are doing or what they want.”

But the idea of a scam to get folks' iris-scans, especially iris-scans of people in less-developed areas, sounds a bit strange.

I mean, if someone has a database of folks' pictures, DNA, or fingerprints, then that database might help track folks without their knowledge or consent -- plus DNA might also reveal things about a person that they'd rather have kept private.

But what might scammers do with iris-scans that might potentially justify the trouble of collecting them like that?

Re: Humanness in the Age of AI

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems it creates an "iris code" from the iris scan. Then they want to develop some new hash function to hash the iris code to get an iris hash. This iris hash should then be stored in some decentralised database like a blockchain or something. https://worldcoin.org/blog/developers/privacy-deep-dive

So if you damage your iris you're fucked ?

Yes. That is how biometric data works; if my finger gets cut off I can no longer unlock with touch ID on my iPhone.

Wonder if they have a backup ID method of some sort or if it’s solely iris data

Re: Humanness in the Age of AI

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if you damage your iris you're fucked ?

Yes. That is how biometric data works; if my finger gets cut off I can no longer unlock with touch ID on my iPhone. Wonder if they have a backup ID method of some sort or if it’s solely iris data

It is likely recording the whole time - e.g. also while the person is moving their iris in view of the camera.

So, I would expect them to have captured a seriously significant AND deduplicated (through the iris) database of faces as well.

Obviously, this is an extremely valuable database on its own merits, because it contains biometric data on a ton of people from "non-restricted" countries and may well solve some of the systemic biases current biometric systems show, due to lack of a representative dataset to train on.

These systemic biases are currently one of the major arguments _against_ the use of biometric systems at an even bigger scale and thus solving it will take away a big tool in the privacy-rights activists toolbox.

Are biases still systemic if at one point a significant amount of people from every geographical location on the planet has been included in the training set?

I can imagine arguing _for_ this position at the very least becomes a lot more complex.

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