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OpenAI faces complaint to FTC that seeks suspension of ChatGPT releases

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Re: OpenAI faces complaint to FTC that seeks suspension of ChatGPT releases

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

CJefferson wrote: post #7
marcc wrote: post #2

What do they expect to happen if they win? OpenAI can't use GPT-4 (or build/release GPT-5), but the innovation will continue in areas of the world not subject to this regular? I understand that the LLM models are advancing quickly and aren't easily explainable or transparent. The models feel like magic at times. But that doesn't mean society should shut them down. This is fearful behavior and spreading FUD really. Th…

Your argument is companies should be allowed to do anything they like, because there will be another country where they can abuse with impunity?

sounds like a sound argument, nonviolence isn't ignoring violence; You don't win a knife fight by declaring it a spirited debate; Darwin had a point; etc.

Re: OpenAI faces complaint to FTC that seeks suspension of ChatGPT releases

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Post by tomjen3 »

CJefferson wrote: post #7
marcc wrote: post #2

What do they expect to happen if they win? OpenAI can't use GPT-4 (or build/release GPT-5), but the innovation will continue in areas of the world not subject to this regular? I understand that the LLM models are advancing quickly and aren't easily explainable or transparent. The models feel like magic at times. But that doesn't mean society should shut them down. This is fearful behavior and spreading FUD really. Th…

Your argument is companies should be allowed to do anything they like, because there will be another country where they can abuse with impunity?

Where anything they like means publishing a text prediction engine that is pretty good?

Re: OpenAI faces complaint to FTC that seeks suspension of ChatGPT releases

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Post by privacylawthrow »

The FTC has been begging the complain-for-profit sector to give it a formal path to regulate AI. The FTC's only enforcement hook in this area is that it can take action against companies that have unfair or deceptive trade practices. This is how the FTC began regulating privacy and security in the US, and it's been waiting to use it for AI.

It comes as no surprise that this complaint is from Mark Rotenberg, former head of EPIC. He's very well aware of the boundaries of the FTC's power, and this complaint effectively serves as a letter to the FTC from an expert about how the FTC can position itself to begin regulating AI.

Re: OpenAI faces complaint to FTC that seeks suspension of ChatGPT releases

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Post by coffeebeqn »

nightski wrote: post #19

It’s really ironic to me that Elon Musk signed a petition to halt LLMs but then uses AI on our roads putting people at risk without issue.

On one hand LLMs make Tesla look bad but I wouldn’t be surprised if when put into the real world these models will have the same problem. Always 5 years away from fixing all the edge cases

Re: OpenAI faces complaint to FTC that seeks suspension of ChatGPT releases

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Post by gabereiser »

Veen wrote: post #32
marcc wrote: post #2

What do they expect to happen if they win? OpenAI can't use GPT-4 (or build/release GPT-5), but the innovation will continue in areas of the world not subject to this regular? I understand that the LLM models are advancing quickly and aren't easily explainable or transparent. The models feel like magic at times. But that doesn't mean society should shut them down. This is fearful behavior and spreading FUD really. Th…

They expect: - To be paid a lot of money by OpenAI to go away, or - To be paid a lot of money to have a role in vetting future AI products, or - To be paid a lot of money by wealthy individuals in the AI alignment camp, or - To be paid a lot of money by OpenAI's competitors to block research until they can catch up with OpenAI.

This was my hot-take as well. The issue here is that OpenAI has some pretty large backers that know the FTC well. Not sure how this will pan out.

Re: OpenAI faces complaint to FTC that seeks suspension of ChatGPT releases

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Post by ben_w »

chatmasta wrote: post #29
nightski wrote: post #19

It’s really ironic to me that Elon Musk signed a petition to halt LLMs but then uses AI on our roads putting people at risk without issue.

Yes. Elon Musk has killed more people with his AI than anyone else has with theirs.

I'd be surprised if there's enough evidence to determine in either direction, for that.

How many used an AI for medical advice? A medical AI which said "no cancer" when there was? Does Therac-25 count as GOFAI? How many have taken an LLM at face value about some topic, and like those stories about GPS directions gone wrong, done something daft that we've not necessarily yet heard about (or if we have, the headline was "Florida Man does X" rather than "AI tells man to do X, and he does"?)

It's like how we don't know how many people had a crash shortly after failing to notice FSD had switched itself off.

Re: OpenAI faces complaint to FTC that seeks suspension of ChatGPT releases

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Post by phkahler »

>> ” Tesla CEO Elon Musk, who co-founded OpenAI, and Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak were among the other signatories.

I like Elon and his companies, but this is ridiculous. Autopilot AI has been killing people for years now and he always defends it.

Re: OpenAI faces complaint to FTC that seeks suspension of ChatGPT releases

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Post by fogoflove »

FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #39
nickthegreek wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the argument is that no harm has actually been shown and there is no legal reason to have one of the fastest growing companies hamstrung while Big Tech gets it's shit together.

SEO spam and social media fake content are already pretty common, so there is definitely at least some harm

I feel as if there needs to be data that demonstrates an explosion of SEO spam and social media fake content. People have been doing those things since we figured out we could -- LLMs are just exponentially better at it.

If we're going to start using excuses for LLMs to get clipped, I think we should focus on the core of the problem, not the fact LLMs can enhance it.

Re: OpenAI faces complaint to FTC that seeks suspension of ChatGPT releases

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Post by dilippkumar »

marcc wrote: post #2

What do they expect to happen if they win? OpenAI can't use GPT-4 (or build/release GPT-5), but the innovation will continue in areas of the world not subject to this regular? I understand that the LLM models are advancing quickly and aren't easily explainable or transparent. The models feel like magic at times. But that doesn't mean society should shut them down. This is fearful behavior and spreading FUD really. Th…

> What do they expect to happen if they win?

Most likely it’s a play to buy time for competition to catch up.

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