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A Response to Jacob Kaplan-Moss’s “Incompetent but Nice”

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Re: A Response to Jacob Kaplan-Moss’s “Incompetent but Nice”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> somehow I am part of this, and have to work extra weekends Most engineers are not expected to work weekends unless they are on call. You don't have to put up with it.

In theory maybe. My point is why should I even make that fight? I have my own issues, my own life, my own people that depend on me.

I don't think i've ever been asked to work weekends in any job i've had. Its not normal in the industry for employers to require this (except if you are oncall)

Re: A Response to Jacob Kaplan-Moss’s “Incompetent but Nice”

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ADHD is probably the problem under this behaviour. Can’t complete tasks and underperform but want to help other, be part of the team. People with ADHD have developed coping behaviour to fit in but have very low control on their executive functions, they can’t keep working on something that doesn’t catch their attention. It’s very hard to understand for someone who don’t have the problem "why can’t they just do it!" W…

There are definitely people who have ADHD and are simply not diagnosed, as well as people who are "afraid of" medication for reason X. For people who are unsure about this, though, ADHD having-ness is not 100% equivalent to "being unable to do your job with focus". Like parent mentions, ADHD is fundamentally about low executive control. So if you find yourself often saying things and immediately regretting it (often…

Yeah, I periodically think about the stigma ADHD had when I was a kid in the late-80/90s and wonder how many people have some degree of impact on their life but have resisted a formal diagnosis and treatment. Some people used to talk about medication like it was a lobotomy.

Re: A Response to Jacob Kaplan-Moss’s “Incompetent but Nice”

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ADHD is probably the problem under this behaviour. Can’t complete tasks and underperform but want to help other, be part of the team. People with ADHD have developed coping behaviour to fit in but have very low control on their executive functions, they can’t keep working on something that doesn’t catch their attention. It’s very hard to understand for someone who don’t have the problem "why can’t they just do it!" W…

Oh god, this is so much me. I seem physically incapable of executing any task beyond 80%. Otherwise I work very quick and thorough, so it takes a long time for others to catch on.

Medication helps a lot, but not in that regard. No matter what, I cannot explain this issue to anyone, not even therapists. It's sad to think I'll never progress beyond what I currently do because of this.

Re: A Response to Jacob Kaplan-Moss’s “Incompetent but Nice”

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Company culture can be incredibly complex and fluid. You may be a good fit for some teams and suck for others depending on their current projects, the people involved, etc. Different teams can perceive you as a completely different person. Not to mention most low level managers were trained to be ICs and lack basic project management skills.

Re: A Response to Jacob Kaplan-Moss’s “Incompetent but Nice”

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ADHD is probably the problem under this behaviour. Can’t complete tasks and underperform but want to help other, be part of the team. People with ADHD have developed coping behaviour to fit in but have very low control on their executive functions, they can’t keep working on something that doesn’t catch their attention. It’s very hard to understand for someone who don’t have the problem "why can’t they just do it!" W…

>ADHD is probably the problem under this behaviour. Whether this is the case quickly becomes apparent by working closely in tandem with the person, e.g. pair programming. It will be obvious within the first few minutes whether the person simply cannot hold a train of thought for as long as the problem requires. As you write, there are concrete ways of addressing this. On the other hand, it is also obvious when the la…

Pairing is actually one of my most helpful strategies for keeping myself on task with boring tasks. People probably notice my ADHD much less when pairing with me. One reason remote work has destroyed my productivity is that pairing just can't happen in the same way.

Re: A Response to Jacob Kaplan-Moss’s “Incompetent but Nice”

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I nodded in agreement all the way up to the section on having a hard conversation on performance. I had assumed that was a given until he explicitly called it out after several other things including actually firing the person.

As a leader, that should have been step number one. Just because this person is nice doesn’t give you a freebie to avoid the painful-but-necessary responsibility to have this conversation.

If you haven’t had that hard conversation to highlight and plan on fixing performance, and you fire someone, then you’ve taken the easy way out. If you’re a leader taking the easy way out, you’re unfit to lead.

Re: A Response to Jacob Kaplan-Moss’s “Incompetent but Nice”

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This article is good but imho misses a big potential issue: the manager’s perception of performance. Managers, especially newer ones can have lots of biases. Someone you think is underperforming may actually be doing ok, they’re just not approaching the work in the way or at the exact same performance you or superstar Sam does. Not everyone is a rockstar, and if you insist on that you are going to have trouble scalin…

A poor initial perception of performance, e.g. blunder during interview, may also set the employee up for long term failure due to the Pygmalion effect. For example, they may less likely be chosen for future easy/high recognition projects that are essential for promotion packages.

Re: A Response to Jacob Kaplan-Moss’s “Incompetent but Nice”

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This article is good but imho misses a big potential issue: the manager’s perception of performance. Managers, especially newer ones can have lots of biases. Someone you think is underperforming may actually be doing ok, they’re just not approaching the work in the way or at the exact same performance you or superstar Sam does. Not everyone is a rockstar, and if you insist on that you are going to have trouble scalin…

High performance work is a partnership between manager and contributor. Employees are not helpless. You don’t have to wait for the manager to do the right thing. You can tell them what to expect from you. You are leaving power on the table by taking a passive stance

> You are leaving power on the table by taking a passive stance

No everyone is able to be assertive.

Re: A Response to Jacob Kaplan-Moss’s “Incompetent but Nice”

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>ADHD is probably the problem under this behaviour. Whether this is the case quickly becomes apparent by working closely in tandem with the person, e.g. pair programming. It will be obvious within the first few minutes whether the person simply cannot hold a train of thought for as long as the problem requires. As you write, there are concrete ways of addressing this. On the other hand, it is also obvious when the la…

Pairing is actually one of my most helpful strategies for keeping myself on task with boring tasks. People probably notice my ADHD much less when pairing with me. One reason remote work has destroyed my productivity is that pairing just can't happen in the same way.

interesting, I've had a much easier time pairing (and felt benefits like you describe) over Zoom. Pairing by actually having 2 people at a desk never felt very comfortable, but screen-sharing with each person on their own monitor etc. works great, IME. I'm curious what you've tried / why it hasn't worked...

Re: A Response to Jacob Kaplan-Moss’s “Incompetent but Nice”

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ADHD is probably the problem under this behaviour. Can’t complete tasks and underperform but want to help other, be part of the team. People with ADHD have developed coping behaviour to fit in but have very low control on their executive functions, they can’t keep working on something that doesn’t catch their attention. It’s very hard to understand for someone who don’t have the problem "why can’t they just do it!" W…

Oh wow, maybe that my problem then.
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