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Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by TylerE »

lelag wrote: post #24

Strange feelings looking at this... This is almost exactly the product I failed to get into YC with back in 2017... All the same ideas as far as the UX goes with one main difference: the business model. I wanted to apply the Steam business model where people would actually buy album again (and not tracks a la iTunes). The issue is that while it's nice to have a UX tailored for classical, this won't likely help the cl…

Orchestral music has always depended largely on essentially donations, back to the patronage that kept many of the great composers at least fed, if not rich.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by TylerE »

egeozcan wrote: post #5
876978095789789 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the announcement: > Why a separate classical app? > Classical music often involves multiple musicians recording works that have been recorded many times before and are referred to by different names. For example, from the formal Beethoven’s Piano Sonata No. 14 to the popular byname of Moonlight Sonata, or in multiple languages, such as Mondschein Sonata in German. Such complexities mean that classical mu…

Classical music isn't the only category that is not well served by a library of audio files though. Many types of folkloric music and rap has similar problems. Actually, pushing many audio files to clients with just album context only serves the pop music well, perhaps. On the other hand, limiting it to classical music hits that "do one thing well" spot, and would be hopefully a good testing ground for more such indi…

Even in pop it could be a lot better. Like, for instance it would be neat when listening to a song to have easy access to cover versions by other bands.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by ChatGTP »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #25

This looks ok, but I can't be the only person suffering Content Fatigue. Between access to infinite music, infinite movies and TV, infinite gaming, and infinite news - and that's just leisure - I'm not sure how much time I have left for a finite life.

Selecting a movie on streaming…

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by ot »

This might be the thing that makes me jump ship from Spotify. Catalog there is not great and the track listings are all useless, you need to wait 30 second for the text to scroll before you get to the useful piece of information.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by cschmidt »

dewey wrote: post #38

For those asking why they "didn't just" improve the existing music app. This is the rebranded version of a service called Primephonic which they acquired last year. This is obviously way less work than trying to jam it into the existing app, so I don't think it's an entirely unreasonable decision. https://www.apple.com/hk/en/newsroom/2021/08/apple-acquires-...

I hadn't looked at Primephonic in a while, but their site is now just a letter on how they're working with Apple:

https://www.primephonic.com/

Re: Apple Music Classical

#46

Post by AlecSchueler »

TylerE wrote: post #41
lelag wrote: post #24

Strange feelings looking at this... This is almost exactly the product I failed to get into YC with back in 2017... All the same ideas as far as the UX goes with one main difference: the business model. I wanted to apply the Steam business model where people would actually buy album again (and not tracks a la iTunes). The issue is that while it's nice to have a UX tailored for classical, this won't likely help the cl…

Orchestral music has always depended largely on essentially donations, back to the patronage that kept many of the great composers at least fed, if not rich.

Not always, though. You had church funding and then patronage from the state.

Beethoven famously ushered in a new era with his 5th symphony when he secured am advance from the bank to produce it, being the first large work to be produced through commercial investment.

Individual patronage continued through the 19th century with notable examples like Tchaikovsky, though increasingly commercial aspects were present.

Coming the 20th century funding for academia became the norm. Older composers became teachers and younger composers secured funding for their thesis compositions.

At the same time the recording industry exploded. Even avant garde cumposers could make good money by starting their own companies to press and publish their records.

Over time interest in orchestral music has plummeted. I guess there's a mix of reasons for this. But today it will prove very difficult to gather the funds for a large scale composition, preformance or recording, never mind all three.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by russelldjimmy »

dewey wrote: post #38

For those asking why they "didn't just" improve the existing music app. This is the rebranded version of a service called Primephonic which they acquired last year. This is obviously way less work than trying to jam it into the existing app, so I don't think it's an entirely unreasonable decision. https://www.apple.com/hk/en/newsroom/2021/08/apple-acquires-...

From a different thread on HN about the same topic, some commenters mentioned that the information architecture and navigation required for classical music is different enough from other music to warrant its own app. I would be surprised if Apple made a decision to cut corners on work and ship a product faster (because from their other products, they seem to be a company that believes in taking their time and delaying releases till they are done to a level that they deem satisfactory)

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by echelon »

lelag wrote: post #24

Strange feelings looking at this... This is almost exactly the product I failed to get into YC with back in 2017... All the same ideas as far as the UX goes with one main difference: the business model. I wanted to apply the Steam business model where people would actually buy album again (and not tracks a la iTunes). The issue is that while it's nice to have a UX tailored for classical, this won't likely help the cl…

> But unfortunately, this wont change the fact that the classical recording industry is dying and that the sector is only surviving thanks to public and private subsidies.

Bet $100 that all classical music will be AI generated (synthesized and composed) in just three years. Supply side will be infinite.

Re: Apple Music Classical

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #25

This looks ok, but I can't be the only person suffering Content Fatigue. Between access to infinite music, infinite movies and TV, infinite gaming, and infinite news - and that's just leisure - I'm not sure how much time I have left for a finite life.

I'm enjoying it in moderation; the danger of all this is FOMO, thinking you have to keep on top on watching all the latest TV shows and whatnot. But for me personally, this has reduced by a lot in recent years, I'm like, I'll watch something when inspiration strikes me.

Especially in recent years, it feels like the market is being flooded with content (especially TV shows) that SHOULD be hits, but just fall flat; a recent example is the LotR TV show, which, while pretty, doesn't seem to be the runaway success they were hoping for.

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