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Presumably it would be used in the case where a split-second decision is the difference between success and failure. > If their application of the technology were so secret that we couldn't tell it existed, then it wasn't worth whatever they paid. I would posit that, were a system like this feasible and already implemented by the military, we wouldn’t hear about this until the football has to be activated. There is n…
What is the football?
CERN researchers have observed and generated high-energy neutrino radiation
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Re: CERN researchers have observed and generated high-energy neutrino radiation
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the shadows are so dark (or the secrecy so official?)....that for all we are able to know, they already done it.
We would see decisions being made that aren't physically possible with current technology. Also the number of people who would need to keep something like this a secret would be on par with that of a fake moon landing. If their application of the technology were so secret that we couldn't tell it existed, then it wasn't worth whatever they paid.
>We would see decisions being made that aren't physically possible with current technology.
i'm not aware enough of what any world government is doing at any given time to confidently assert that so easily.
Re: CERN researchers have observed and generated high-energy neutrino radiation
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If anyone does it, it will be financial firms putting them under stock exchanges to get milliseconds of advantage over anyone following the curvature of the earth.
From my understanding most exchanges put in artificial limits now to ensure anyone with mega bucks for infrastructure are equal
Your understanding is false. That’s exactly how HRT, Jane, Jump, Millennium make so much money
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To be honest, I've read the first and second books and not entirely sure what you mean.
There's a scene at the end of the second book where the aliens offer to build a neutrino communication device for humans but the humans opt for one that uses gravity waves instead. It's a very brief reference, I don't know why the parent would have brought it up.
Yeah, I was misremembering; I thought they actually did end up using high energy neutrinos.
Re: CERN researchers have observed and generated high-energy neutrino radiation
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What value would the military get from knowing a piece of information a few milliseconds faster?
Direct transmission through the earth could be as much as a quarter second faster than around the circumference. A hypersonic missile can travel about a half of a kilometer in a quarter second. So, any application where a half kilometer or quarter second head start might make a difference. The only thing I can think of where the stakes are high enough and timing critical enough is nuclear deterrence. But as hypersoni…
LEO orbit period is 90min, so it takes at least 40min for a missile to go halfway around the globe.
Going in straight line across the earth at the speed of light takes 42ms. Going around the earth at the speed of light takes 66ms. Let's be extremely pessimistic and double that estimate at 132ms. Going through the earth saved you 90ms in this best case.
You saved 90ms over 40min. A ratio of 0.0000375, or 0.00375%.
There is no way it makes any sense to spend billions to save 0.00375% in response time to an incoming missile.
Re: CERN researchers have observed and generated high-energy neutrino radiation
#46This is an awesome update. It was only in 2018 that a high energy neutrino was detected by the IceCube Neutrino Observatory (funny name lol) that was traced back to its source, a blazar. This was a active galaxy with a supermassive black hole at its center. That was the first time ever that scientists had identified the source of a high energy neutrino, and now scientists generated a whole new avenue of research in a…
Yeah, wasn't it Sheldon Cooper who discovered that?
- JK
Re: CERN researchers have observed and generated high-energy neutrino radiation
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Direct transmission through the earth could be as much as a quarter second faster than around the circumference. A hypersonic missile can travel about a half of a kilometer in a quarter second. So, any application where a half kilometer or quarter second head start might make a difference. The only thing I can think of where the stakes are high enough and timing critical enough is nuclear deterrence. But as hypersoni…
LEO orbit period is 90min, so it takes at least 40min for a missile to go halfway around the globe. Going in straight line across the earth at the speed of light takes 42ms. Going around the earth at the speed of light takes 66ms. Let's be extremely pessimistic and double that estimate at 132ms. Going through the earth saved you 90ms in this best case. You saved 90ms over 40min. A ratio of 0.0000375, or 0.00375%. The…
Your analysis is valid as long as one of the following are true:
1) We learn to bend light around the surface of the earth (otherwise relays are needed, which add significant delay).
2) hypersonic missiles are required to a) go into LEO and b) go all the way around the earth to benefit from a quarter second head start
I still think military warning applications are much more likely than someone trying to do HFT on the NYSE from Australia. But, like I said from the beginning. Neither are feasible because they need a super collider and a massive tank detector.
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Start a power plant meltdown or detonate an enemy's weapon stockpiles...from anywhere?
Is there even a theoretical way that this could happen? Seems essentially impossible. The whole thing with neutrinos is they just _don't_ interact with anything except _extremely_ rarely.
They can’t be focused, so if it did succeed - it would cook everything anywhere near it just as much. So think ‘interplanetary death ray’, not ‘surgical strike’.
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This implies financial feasibility. It still takes a super collider on one end and a detection tank on the other. But one day it might be feasible. I would think a military warning system would be implemented before a financial aid.
What value would the military get from knowing a piece of information a few milliseconds faster?
Submarine communication actually.
Re: CERN researchers have observed and generated high-energy neutrino radiation
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Start a power plant meltdown or detonate an enemy's weapon stockpiles...from anywhere?
Is there even a theoretical way that this could happen? Seems essentially impossible. The whole thing with neutrinos is they just _don't_ interact with anything except _extremely_ rarely.
No. There is some evidence that a large flux of neutrinos can very slightly alter the rate of some nuclear beta decay (basically the decay which would release a neutrino can't if there are too many neutrinos already around it), but that won't do anything to trigger a nuclear weapon or nuclear plant meltdown. Even producing enough neutrinos to have a detectable effect at all would require a tremendous amount of energy - attempts to even detect such an effect on earth have been inconclusive. The only place in the universe where the neutron flux gets high enough to actually delay decay for a meaningful amount of time is in the core of a supernova, which is one way heavy elements are produced.