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Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the general social contract that most people have as their mental model: "If I pay my taxes and do my part, my children will get the standard benefits of citizenship". Honestly, I'm not sure what use you see from asking this question.

It's part of the socratic method. It's reasonable to ask why your country of birth owes you anything. Keep in mind not every country gives you citizenship from birth, so it raises the question of whether what you're saying really is correct. I would suggest if someone has worked somewhere for a decent amount of time they should not be disposed of so easily as the person in the article.

> It's part of the socratic method.

But that question wasn't. It was bad faith "gotcha!" question.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

#43
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And your country owes you why?

Because if it is attacked, you have to defend it. This obligation to your country gives you the right to stay in it.

Corollaries:

- People who can't "defend the country" don't get these rights: women, children, old people, people with religious exemptions, people with an unreasonable fear of being violently killed.

- People who promise to come and defend will get these rights, regardless of where they were born? Do they just make a solemn oath or do they have to do boot camp and maintain their skills?

I hope you can see this is not where your rights come from.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

#44
post #31

The US is super weird. It's the only place I know of that doesn't have a clear, fixed-time based, permanent residency program, without quotas. As an example, in all European countries that I know of, permanent residency works like this: - you need to fulfill some prerequisites (usually a civics course/test, a language course/test, no criminal record, be employed or in education) - then you need to be in the country f…

Are there any Asian countries besides Japan that give out permanent residency?

Korea I think.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

#45
post #4

No country other than your country of origin owes you a right to stay. It's not inhumane or something to have visa only for work and not for indefinite residency. If the work visa was defacto a permanent residency visa, no one would give it and no one would get it.

If humans were merely fully replaceable units in the machinery that is a nation (and it seems that this is the goal of many of the elite), then that would make sense. But many humans actually form communities and welcome new residents in. Some of these newcomers become part of the community and even create new members.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

#46
post #31

The US is super weird. It's the only place I know of that doesn't have a clear, fixed-time based, permanent residency program, without quotas. As an example, in all European countries that I know of, permanent residency works like this: - you need to fulfill some prerequisites (usually a civics course/test, a language course/test, no criminal record, be employed or in education) - then you need to be in the country f…

Are there any Asian countries besides Japan that give out permanent residency?

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Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

#47
post #14

All this proves how broken the US education is. I have worked with many Indian programmers over the years. I only ran into a very small amount who were not brilliant, but were average. The rest where brilliant, and a few I learned some cool tricks from. For young Americans, most were good but none approached the level of smarts most of the Indians I worked with. The US should send observers over to India and study th…

This is like going to the bio tech department of a top university in the US and being so impressed with the people there that you conclude that all Americans are amazing at bio tech.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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post #19
post #4

No country other than your country of origin owes you a right to stay. It's not inhumane or something to have visa only for work and not for indefinite residency. If the work visa was defacto a permanent residency visa, no one would give it and no one would get it.

Hopefully we can change that in the future - people have been displaced over the centuries (and worse) but what you're saying is such a 20th century phenomenon that I'd like to see us move forward to better structures.

Hopefully that does not change in the future. If anyone could just go anywhere that would be a terrible dystopian future.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

#49
post #4

No country other than your country of origin owes you a right to stay. It's not inhumane or something to have visa only for work and not for indefinite residency. If the work visa was defacto a permanent residency visa, no one would give it and no one would get it.

Why even your country of origin? Okay, they can't just pick another country and shove people there, that's not fair and no country would accept that, but they could maybe dump unwanted people in the ocean. Just a thought.

Re: 60 Days to Find a Job or Leave the Country

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post #4

No country other than your country of origin owes you a right to stay. It's not inhumane or something to have visa only for work and not for indefinite residency. If the work visa was defacto a permanent residency visa, no one would give it and no one would get it.

Except for the fact that except for Indians, everyone else can get a green card after a few years on a H1-B.
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