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Coinbase suspending USDC:USD conversions over the weekend

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Re: Coinbase suspending USDC:USD conversions over the weekend

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Tether, the Sauron of stablecoins, has zero exposure to SVB and is holding the peg just fine. Sorry Patio and friends, maybe next time :)

Tether has lots of experience in this field. They were "pioneer" and they went through a lot worse: Tons of FUD, the Bitfinex exchange hack, lawsuits, bank runs etc...

In short, they are battle and stress tested to the maximum.

Re: Coinbase suspending USDC:USD conversions over the weekend

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USDC is managed the Centre consortium, which was founded by Circle and includes Coinbase as a member. Circle held around $3.3 billion in Silicon Valley Bank, leading to a run on USDC which resulted in it trading for as little as $0.95 on some exchanges today (Mar 10, 2023). This represents around 30% of USDC's cash reserves and 7% of its total reserves. The balance of reserves are held in T-Bills, which are liquid an…

Looks like USDC dropped all the way down to $0.85 on some exchanges.

Re: Coinbase suspending USDC:USD conversions over the weekend

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So USDC is currently trading at $0.93. Which, if you believe in Coinbase, is free money. And if you don't, then its very bad news for the company and possibly worse news for the banks that are keeping the USDC reserves, because they are about to have a massive bank run on monday.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/usd-coin/

Re: Coinbase suspending USDC:USD conversions over the weekend

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USDC is managed the Centre consortium, which was founded by Circle and includes Coinbase as a member. Circle held around $3.3 billion in Silicon Valley Bank, leading to a run on USDC which resulted in it trading for as little as $0.95 on some exchanges today (Mar 10, 2023). This represents around 30% of USDC's cash reserves and 7% of its total reserves. The balance of reserves are held in T-Bills, which are liquid an…

Can't help but revel in the fact that these crypto ponzi schemes are so dependent on the very banks all the cryptobros denounce, as evil holdovers from the past that will be obsoleted by their scam tokens (that no one outside their bubble even knows how to use). It's so ridiculous I just have to kind of admire it. It's like a cathedral of human hypocrisy.

A ponzi scheme is just one step along the path to true decentralization.

Re: Coinbase suspending USDC:USD conversions over the weekend

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe you just don't understand it? The whole point of USDC is to have exposure to USD and the US banking system, which is supposed to be stable compared to other banking systems around the world. Could that maybe be why it's called USDC? Hmm. If the US banking system starts failing, it absolutely should affect USD stable coins backed by exactly this banking system.

Can't you just buy USD directly? How does that help? What does the C part of it do?

It is also kind of an abstraction over cash and treasury bonds. A more liquid fractionalised cash/bond unit.

Though that seems to have been the problem here.

The original idea with a 100% collaterilised peg was that the entire reserve would be cash. Somewhere along the way treasury bonds were considered cash equivalent. Which on the face of it seems sort of reasonable but clearly they do have a different risk and liquidity profile. This allows the centre consortium to earn a yield.

So I'm not sure I think a USDC is a dollar, but also I'm not sure it's particularly different to what banks do with deposits to earn a yield.

One difference is you can reinvest the same USDC to earn a yield while the underlying backing USD also earns centre a yield.

Re: Coinbase suspending USDC:USD conversions over the weekend

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what universe is the US banking system more stable than other places in the world? Compared to 3rd world countries?

Well, I'm pretty sure all credible banks in the US are all insured (both explicitly with FDIC and implicitly far beyond that) by the US government. That's a pretty big thing

That doesn't make them stable. The 2008 financial crisis was literally caused by big US banks. They then had to be bailed out.

This is not a symptom of a stable banking system. It's a symptom of the banks having a disturbing amount of power over the government, which is not a good thing. They were able to conduct what is essentially fraud at a massive scale with impunity because they knew the gov would bail them out when shit hit the fan.

I really don't understand what's so "stable" about this.

Re: Coinbase suspending USDC:USD conversions over the weekend

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't you just buy USD directly? How does that help? What does the C part of it do?

No, in many countries you cannot buy USD directly. You also cannot store USD in a local bank account. And in various places it's explicitly forbidden to hold USD as savings because it would devalue local currency if everyone started transacting in USD instead. So, the "C" makes USD exposure available to anyone worldwide, assuming you have e.g. an Ethereum wallet.

If anyone doubts that this is just a theory, I can confirm it. I live in third-world countries and use USDC exactly for this.

Re: Coinbase suspending USDC:USD conversions over the weekend

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USDC is managed the Centre consortium, which was founded by Circle and includes Coinbase as a member. Circle held around $3.3 billion in Silicon Valley Bank, leading to a run on USDC which resulted in it trading for as little as $0.95 on some exchanges today (Mar 10, 2023). This represents around 30% of USDC's cash reserves and 7% of its total reserves. The balance of reserves are held in T-Bills, which are liquid an…

There's something deeply ironic about a flight to safety in the form of Tether, which has famously been described as being "quilted out of red flags".

But if you can't redeem it and it's not backed by anything remotely approaching normal assets, I guess you can't have a bank run on it either... until the music stops and the insiders propping it up run out of chairs.

Re: Coinbase suspending USDC:USD conversions over the weekend

#49
BTC crashed, stable coins crashing . Financialization means new, unforeseen risks are constantly showing themselves due to the intricacy of the interconnected system. Failure of stable coins will probably lead to sub 10k $btc for sure. Already BTC crashing now on this news after an attempt to rally. FTX was just $20 billion, stable coins combined are $150 billion....

Re: Coinbase suspending USDC:USD conversions over the weekend

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USDC is managed the Centre consortium, which was founded by Circle and includes Coinbase as a member. Circle held around $3.3 billion in Silicon Valley Bank, leading to a run on USDC which resulted in it trading for as little as $0.95 on some exchanges today (Mar 10, 2023). This represents around 30% of USDC's cash reserves and 7% of its total reserves. The balance of reserves are held in T-Bills, which are liquid an…

There's something deeply ironic about a flight to safety in the form of Tether , which has famously been described as being "quilted out of red flags". But if you can't redeem it and it's not backed by anything remotely approaching normal assets, I guess you can't have a bank run on it either... until the music stops and the insiders propping it up run out of chairs.

There's something to be said for everyone knowing the risks of doing business with you, and behaving consistently (consistently badly) so that those risks don't change. That's the regime of Tether. Nobody will even be mad when the rug gets pulled.

The federal reserve could stand to learn a thing or two, honestly.

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