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Update to Kagi Search Pricing

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Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

#41
let's mapreduce search

map search-term to several search engine (using curl, headless browser and whatnot)

then reduce / filter the results, removing ads etc, weighing duplicates more and punish irrelevants

the search-result is then piped to your favorite browser

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

#42

If the subscription price is not zero, the included searches are not free. In this regard, the wording of the pricing page mockup and this blog post is dishonest - or at the very least inaccurate. Not a fan of the changes otherwise. I average around 1200 searches per month which would require me to get the unlimited plan. $120/year was already a steep price compared to my other yearly subscription costs: - VPN: §50 -…

Not a fan of the changes otherwise. I average around 1100 searches per month which would require me to get the unlimited plan. I don't like the changes either, but I don't think this is true. You could get the 1000 searches plan for $10 and then pay-per-search the additional 100 searches.

Fair, thank you for pointing that out. The idea of paying per query for a search engine seems so alien to me that I just skipped over this option.

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

#43

I thought people hate subscription model, yet there are enough people willing to pay a monthly fee for search that is only marginally better than free product? I'm really confused. At least Adobe products etc. are actually miles ahead of alternatives.

Their target market is people who don't want ads and don't want their search behavior sold to third parties. Having better (or at least similar) search quality is certainly a requirement, but that's not really what people are paying for.

Search privacy may not be something you care about, and that's fine, but it seems like Kagi may have found a market that can sustain their model.

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

#44

I am a Kagi subscriber and I like it a lot, but I will probably cancel after the current month. 1000 searches per month is probably enough for me, but I hate services that change the model and pricing all the time. It's just not for me. Also, I don't really care for the AI integration. I wish they'd just have kept the unlimited searches for 10 per month plan (which I don't use up anyway, so they'd make a nice profit…

Also, they broke their promise from last year, saying that they'd grandfather-in all early adopters, as long as they don't cancel:

If such change to Individual plans is to occur, we plan to grandfather-in all early adopters (meaning all current and future paid customers, up until this change) allowing them to keep their existing subscription price as long as they don’t cancel it.

https://blog.kagi.com/status-update-first-three-months#futur...

Now they changed it to only the current billing period.

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

#45
post #20

What a bait and switch. Didn’t see that one coming.

I don't get why you'd consider this a "bait and switch". It seems pretty unsurprising to me that a company testing out an uncommon, unproven business model would get the pricing wrong on the first attempt.

Regardless, it's not like they're the only game in town, or that you're locked in to some long-term contract with them. If you don't like the new pricing, cancel and go back to an ad-supported/data-mining-supported search engine.

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

#46
post #39

I am a Kagi subscriber and I like it a lot, but I will probably cancel after the current month. 1000 searches per month is probably enough for me, but I hate services that change the model and pricing all the time. It's just not for me. Also, I don't really care for the AI integration. I wish they'd just have kept the unlimited searches for 10 per month plan (which I don't use up anyway, so they'd make a nice profit…

> I hate services that change the model and pricing all the time It's hardly "all the time"; this is their first pricing change, no? I was a part of the free private beta, and then started paying when they started charging, and I don't recall any changes until now. It seems unsurprising that a paid search company (something that is pretty new, business-model-wise), might not get their pricing correct the first time.

In September they said:

If such change to Individual plans is to occur, we plan to grandfather-in all early adopters (meaning all current and future paid customers, up until this change) allowing them to keep their existing subscription price as long as they don’t cancel it.

https://blog.kagi.com/status-update-first-three-months#futur...

So they changed the pricing terms.

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

#47
post #13

Really disappointed with this pricing. Such pricing will kill their product and move regular consumers away from the product. I have used Brave search that gives similar search results for way less money.

And that's really the sad thing. If this pricing is too high for the business to be viable, it suggests that people would rather participate in surveillance capitalism than pay for privacy.

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

#48
I cancelled by Kagi subscription because of this.

I don't want to have to pause before I search and think "do I need to search for this? should I look through my bookmarks, notes, etc? is this worth one of the 7 searches my $5 plan will cover for the day?".

I've been a frequent user of Kagi for the past ~9 months. Last month I made 1600 searches.

I've even 'tipped the difference' (~$70) in the past to support Kagi. It feels gross that they're now upcharging me despite the goodwill I showed them. I know they're a business, but if you're a business, and you're not willing to respect your users, then don't ask for donations.

I hope that something better than Google comes along. It was Kagi, but now it's back to the drawing board for me.

My advice to Kagi: make searches cheaper. This product has no future otherwise.

Re: Update to Kagi Search Pricing

#50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a fan of the changes otherwise. I average around 1100 searches per month which would require me to get the unlimited plan. I don't like the changes either, but I don't think this is true. You could get the 1000 searches plan for $10 and then pay-per-search the additional 100 searches.

Fair, thank you for pointing that out. The idea of paying per query for a search engine seems so alien to me that I just skipped over this option.

Yes, it's really weird, and I think they're going to lose a lot of customers who have the same first impression as you, that they'll have to bump up to the too-expensive plan because they're a small amount over the limit on the cheaper plan.
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