How is this even legal?
HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges
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#42My canon printer has tanks that you simply refill with liquid ink. Higher up-front costs but now I have a printer with the majority of DRM eliminated.
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#43HP printers are dreadful. Six years ago, I switched from my HP to a Brother HL-L2395DW, and I haven't turned back since. Have no more issues printing, jamming, installing bloated drivers, establishing a Wi-Fi connection, or obtaining third-party toner for it. The drum life is still at 98%.
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#44I'm amazed that this hasn't been regulated. Aftermarket commodities being turned into walled gardens based not on physical incompatibility but software checks is obscene. Does the EU have defenses against this kind of behavior? I feel like monopolistic is the wrong word. Creating captive markets?
This is the answer
Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges
#45For those of you who haven't already, I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching from HP to Brother for your home printing needs. I was a HP customer for decades . I had models going back to perforated paper dot-matrix printers. Finally last year I had a down-and-out fight to get my HP to do a basic task, and I bit the bullet and ordered a Brother at the recommendation of my friend. My mfc-l3750cdw Broth…
I have been using brother laser printers for years. You can get them on sale for $100 and they last a decade. Recommended.
Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges
#46For those of you who haven't already, I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching from HP to Brother for your home printing needs. I was a HP customer for decades . I had models going back to perforated paper dot-matrix printers. Finally last year I had a down-and-out fight to get my HP to do a basic task, and I bit the bullet and ordered a Brother at the recommendation of my friend. My mfc-l3750cdw Broth…
> For those of you who haven't already, I highly recommend just biting the bullet and switching from HP to Brother for your home printing needs.
I was under the impression that newer Brother firmware versions had restrictions:
* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31860131
I have an HL-L2360D, but my firmware is from 2015 (with no plans to upgrade), so have no idea if anything has changed recently.
Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges
#47I'm amazed that this hasn't been regulated. Aftermarket commodities being turned into walled gardens based not on physical incompatibility but software checks is obscene. Does the EU have defenses against this kind of behavior? I feel like monopolistic is the wrong word. Creating captive markets?
> I'm amazed that this hasn't been regulated. The best way to regulate it is for people to stop buying HP printers. I haven't bought one for about 20 years.
> The best way to regulate it is for people to stop buying HP printers.
Except that there is always a new batch of people who don't know any better:
So companies can survive on that ignorance.
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#48What I find notable whenever something like this is in the news, is that these user-hostile features don't just manifest through abiogenesis, or spontaneous generation. User-hostile features are created by people. Just once, I would like to see an AMA by someone who was directly involved in creating a user-hostile feature - whether it's locking down printers or any of the countless other examples that come up on a we…
Do you just treat it as a source of income, with it not meriting any real internal ethical debate?
I'd say that's 99% of the tech workers' mentality. Especially if they need to stay employed to stay in the country, better to just lick the boot than give any impressions of opposition.
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#49The HP Smart app actually has a disclaimer mentioning 'non-OEM cartridges might be disabled if you install the firmware update' https://i.imgur.com/Xp4tElX.png Apparently some printers can be downgraded via USB https://lucatnt.com/2022/06/downgrade-hp-pagewide-pro-477dw-...
After that long paragraph which is basically saying "fuck you, bend over and take it", I'm surprised there's even a No button.
Re: HP have updated their printers to ban ‘non-HP’ cartridges
#50What I find notable whenever something like this is in the news, is that these user-hostile features don't just manifest through abiogenesis, or spontaneous generation. User-hostile features are created by people. Just once, I would like to see an AMA by someone who was directly involved in creating a user-hostile feature - whether it's locking down printers or any of the countless other examples that come up on a we…
> Just once, I would like to see an AMA by someone who was directly involved in creating a user-hostile feature We don't need an AMA, we already know the answer. Money. The company exists to make money. The fact that it also creates printers is a side effect, not its primary purpose. Once you look at it in this way, there's nothing confusing about user hostile features. They exist to further the primary purpose of th…
Taking this point even further … at the point which user hostility starts to affect their brand in a way that costs money, they’ll stop doing it and be heralded for listening to their users.
At one point, this whole idea made me furious but now it just feels like the water around us. Unfortunate, to say the least.