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Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by lwhi »

mgiannopoulos wrote: post #20
throwboatyface wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty obvious that Waymo has done a million miles completely driverless with no major accidents, while Tesla has shipped a buggy and frequently updated piece of software to thousands of "beta testers" who demonstrate that it's unsafe on YouTube constantly.

Since when are frequent software updates a bad thing? At what point did any beta software worked perfectly?

Keeping to a consistent update schedule would be an advantage.

I think the main issue is that Tesla is seen to be 'fire fighting', rather than working according to a predetermined plan.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by pjc50 »

wheelerof4te wrote: post #9

Too much hate here. It's surprising how quicly people jumped from "Elon is the genius" to "Elon is a fraud and a liar".

It's not been a Holmes / SBF overnight reveal, it's been a long slow decline due to his twitter usage since the "diver paedo" incident.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by polotics »

Vermeulen wrote: post #38

I really miss when discussions about Musk's companies were about the technology - there is a lot of interesting areas to discuss with Neurolink and how their approaching development. But now comment sections about anything Musk related are pointless - entirely about his personality and politics

Well you can only swallow repeated empty promises of progress on the technology front for so many years before you have to confront the blatant lies. Excuse me: "forward looking statements"

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by kypro »

stephc_int13 wrote: post #8

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> Not sure if this is because of his alleged Asperger or something but I sometimes wonder if the the dude is able to separate facts from fiction.

Is this even an aspie trait?

Speaking as an aspie myself I'd guess it's more to do with empathy. I tend to have a less instinctive and more rational sense of empathy, and I've noticed other aspies are similar. You could convince me that potentially harming humans is a net-good, and ethical, so long as you demonstrate the value of taking such a risk.

Eg, "if someone is willing to take the risk, and there's a potentially a huge reward for humanity in doing these trials, then perhaps it's justifiable".

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by [deleted] »

mgiannopoulos wrote: post #25
jeromegv wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not because Uber is worse that we have to accept Tesla's way of doing things. They have been lying to their customers about having full self driving available for years and now just admitted that some of their videos promoting it were actually entirely faked. Both can be wrong.

FSD is not available to the general public. It’s beta, can be used by customers who select to do so.

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Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by aqme28 »

Vermeulen wrote: post #38

I really miss when discussions about Musk's companies were about the technology - there is a lot of interesting areas to discuss with Neurolink and how their approaching development. But now comment sections about anything Musk related are pointless - entirely about his personality and politics

What's ironic is that at this point in time, yours is the first comment to mention him.

But I also think it's very fair for a medical device company take some scrutiny if its CEO is famous for overpromising and underdelivering.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by Someone1234 »

I don't think "Move Fast and Break Things" should apply to biological experiments on living organisms (least of all humans). Supposedly this company has already shown a disregard for their animal test subjects in order to "move faster" by running experiments side-by-side, rather than in series (which would have allowed less total subjects, and harm reduction).

So, good job FDA, keep blocking it until they get their act together.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by philliphaydon »

stevehawk wrote: post #29
pfizerapproach wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, but how is this relevant to the story? Participation is voluntary. Nobody forces you to anything.

but how many people are willing to participate based on false information or reputation due to the perpetual hype/marketing/lies he has thrown out with regards to something. The general public thinks he has solved self driving, after all it's coming next year (for the tenth consecutive year), meanwhile an industry report recently ranked Tesla dead last in likelihood to deliver when compared to nearly 20 other compani…

Probably a lot. A lot of people still believe in musk.

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by anotherman554 »

fredgrott wrote: post #40
anotherman554 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are plenty of "neurotypical" people who apparently can't separate fact from fiction.

it is a personality disorder not Asperger, for example Trump has the same problem not due to Asperger but due to the personality disorder he has.

Mental health criteria are ultimately going to reflect what society considers "normal". Since 46.9 percent of voters voted for Trump I'd say society considers him "neurotypical".

Re: Musk’s bid to start Neuralink human trials denied by FDA in 2022, report says

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Post by Karunamon »

mgiannopoulos wrote: post #25
jeromegv wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not because Uber is worse that we have to accept Tesla's way of doing things. They have been lying to their customers about having full self driving available for years and now just admitted that some of their videos promoting it were actually entirely faked. Both can be wrong.

FSD is not available to the general public. It’s beta, can be used by customers who select to do so.

That counts as "available to the general public" by any reasonable measure; either as a one-off purchase or a monthly subscription.

And really, "FSD" is too specific, even the lane keeping autopilot the car comes with by default has the same problems. I love my model 3 but let's call the spade a spade: advertising the car as having "full self driving" at this point in time is nothing short of fraudulent.

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