There was a time not so long ago when you could buy a pint of whisky, a couple vials of heroin and cocaine, and a sandwich all at your local Rexall.
Drug Companies Can Legally Start Selling Cocaine, Heroin, and MDMA
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#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Man, I remember the time when we had to pass a constitutional amendment to make a substance illegal. Now a government agency can just declare substances illegal without needing to justify it to anybody.
The DEA is evil. They drag their feet in allowing FDA approved medicines to be approved for sale. There was a law passed recently that they had N months to schedule it because they kept taking so long. If a single person in a study says a medicine gives them feelings of euphoria it can be subject to scheduling, which makes it an epic pain in the ass to acquire. They don’t allow electronic prescriptions to be sent for…
A friend of mine calls this Suffering Theology. Anything that might bring pleasure is bad. It's why so many medical justifications had to be made to make marijuana legal. It's why we have to say "oh, shrooms heal depression" or whatever shit before we can decriminalize.
There is a deep Puritanism that ramifies through America. Suffering is necessary. Pain is necessary.
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#43Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sort of. It's analogous to Beer vs Whiskey: Same psychoactive, but one substance has been chemically concentrated. Both are bad for you but one can be consumed in much lower quantities and concentrations so the health risks are a bit attenuated. Drinking a beer a lunch on a Friday is generally acceptable, but whisky at lunch any day would raise some eyebrows. That said if you start drinking 5 beers a night every nigh…
Not really analogous. A whiskey beverage is usually served at one alcohol unit of strength and has the same alcohol as a beer. In fact, someone who has a whiskey neat for lunch is likely going to get less alcohol than someone who has a pint from a microbrew. 16 ounces at 10% abv vs 1.5 ounces at 40%.
> Not really analogous. A whiskey beverage is usually served at one alcohol unit of strength and has the same alcohol as a beer.
The only place I’ve ever gone to a bar where this is actually true is in Utah. Not to mention with the rise of craft beer even a beer isn’t a standard drink often as not.
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#44When I was in Peru coca tea was available everywhere for literally pennies. It is legal in most of South America. It doesn't even get you high it just sort of helps with elevation sickness. This seems to upset US politicians from time to time and cause diplomatic spats, they were adamant against the sale of it despite it being traditional in that part of the world. Punitive about it. Now it is legal in Canada and not…
> When I was in Peru coca tea was available everywhere for literally pennies.
Just for the sake of adding to this comparison: it takes 300 kilos of coca leaves to make 1 kilo of cocaine[1]. The coca leaf tea to cocaine analog, is somewhat like comparing extremely diluted orange juice (which has a natural amount of alcohol) with Everclear (96% proof).
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[1] And I'll note that 300:1 is the low end of the spectrum. I've seen ranges from 400:1 to 600:1 being more realistic.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s a pretty vast gap between coca tea and refined cocaine, isn’t there?
You crush it and mix with water, add lime to turn it into a paste. The only other thing you need is a little potassium permanganate which is commonly used for lots of things. Wouldn't say the gap is vast, it isn't a very involved process. Maybe you mean there is a vast gap between Peru and Canada. Few thousand miles that.
A vast gap in potency.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coca_tea
> Owing to the presence of these alkaloids, coca tea is a mild stimulant; its consumption may be compared to consumption of a moderately strong cup of coffee or tea.
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#46In the US MDMA started off as a legal drug until the mid 80s when the DEA made it illegal
That’s how drug classification works - molecules don’t start off as banned.
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#47When I was in Peru coca tea was available everywhere for literally pennies. It is legal in most of South America. It doesn't even get you high it just sort of helps with elevation sickness. This seems to upset US politicians from time to time and cause diplomatic spats, they were adamant against the sale of it despite it being traditional in that part of the world. Punitive about it. Now it is legal in Canada and not…
We legalized or decriminalized all of that stuff in Oregon 3 years ago. You can get mushrooms now. Meth, heroin, cocaine, all decriminalized. Psychedelics can be used in a clinical setting: https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2020/11/oregon-legalizes...
Decriminalization measure: https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Measure_110,_Drug_Decriminali...
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#48> But it’s not clear under what circumstances the companies will be able to sell the drugs
Only because your article wouldn’t have any bite if you told the truth.
It is clear. Health Canada clarified already: it’s for research and prescribed use in rather limited cases.
The hack author wants you to feel a narrative that they’re going to just start selling cocaine to the public.
> In a statement to VICE News, Health Canada said Adastra is licensed to produce the drugs for scientific and medical purposes but cannot sell products to the general public.
Oh, so you do know. Rendering your earlier sentence wrong. In the same article.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sort of. It's analogous to Beer vs Whiskey: Same psychoactive, but one substance has been chemically concentrated. Both are bad for you but one can be consumed in much lower quantities and concentrations so the health risks are a bit attenuated. Drinking a beer a lunch on a Friday is generally acceptable, but whisky at lunch any day would raise some eyebrows. That said if you start drinking 5 beers a night every nigh…
Not really analogous. A whiskey beverage is usually served at one alcohol unit of strength and has the same alcohol as a beer. In fact, someone who has a whiskey neat for lunch is likely going to get less alcohol than someone who has a pint from a microbrew. 16 ounces at 10% abv vs 1.5 ounces at 40%.
In both cases the psychoactive is the same but the concentration is different. It is a fair nuance you bring up that an unregulated refining and cutting process has a lot of variability in its amount which can mean taking a rather large amount.
While drinking a beer can have more total alcohol than a shot of whiskey, the social stigma is there for reasons. Concentrated consumption is on a different level in terms of behavior and results. I frequently see people have a single beer over a meal, but I don't usually see people have just one shot of whisky...
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#50When I was in Peru coca tea was available everywhere for literally pennies. It is legal in most of South America. It doesn't even get you high it just sort of helps with elevation sickness. This seems to upset US politicians from time to time and cause diplomatic spats, they were adamant against the sale of it despite it being traditional in that part of the world. Punitive about it. Now it is legal in Canada and not…
> When I was in Peru coca tea was available everywhere for literally pennies. Just for the sake of adding to this comparison: it takes 300 kilos of coca leaves to make 1 kilo of cocaine[1]. The coca leaf tea to cocaine analog, is somewhat like comparing extremely diluted orange juice (which has a natural amount of alcohol) with Everclear (96% proof). --- [1] And I'll note that 300:1 is the low end of the spectrum. I'…
I did say the tea did not get you high. Felt akin to a strong coffee or Red Bull if that. Really did help with the high altitude.
It is also considered sacred and traditional by the indigenous. Probably for that very reason. Yet even at these low concentrations, US officials frequently demand it be outlawed.
Unless you're a Canadian drug company.