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Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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The author doesn't consider our parents and their parents didn't own a modern house walking distance from dinning and entertainment which is what most people aspire to today. They also married very young, had three kids before 25 and signed up for 30 year loans to pay their cookie cutter suburban homes. You could technically do the same today, it's just that living that type of life would be absolutely terrifying for…

What's terrifying there? I mean the 3 kids at a young age sounds like more than I could have handled but everything else you wrote sounds like the dream.

Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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Working harder and smarter are two different things. Productivity has nothing to do with working harder, otherwise china's labor force would be the most productive in the world. It's not. Mexico has twice the productivity of China

Most productive countries are those who work smarter. See the list for yourself

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_labour_...

Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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How does that work within the context of an office place? Not all corporations have internal cultures that encourage competition between coworkers. And at some point it's no longer productivity that causes one to get ahead, but politics.

Competition still applies. It your company has a culture where delivering doesn't matter, you are gonna be taken out by one that does.

Thats why I've enjoyed working for the government for the past couple decades. I'm pretty confident that a good chunk of the code I write will never make it to production.

Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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I find it quite ironic that the author cares so much about housing costs and presumably money, but at the same time she chose a profession that has a low average salary. If you are worried about costs, do something that pays better. If everyone picked low-GDP professions like her then in the extreme case you’d have a country like Democratic Republic of Congo with low housing costs but also you’re practically squattin…

1. The price of a 1 bedroom apartment in Congo’s capital city center is literally double that of Berlin. 2. My personal definition of a failed society is one that fails to fulfill the basic needs of its people.. and yes, that includes people with a profesion that has a low average salary.

Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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The ill effects of poor housing policy are deep and insidious Gentrification, and backlash against it is the most obvious societal outcome of failing to keep prices under control. But it goes further House prices drive out low income workers(gentrification). Loss of lower income families in turn raises the cost of doing business for any business that deals with unskilled or otherwise cheap labor. In turn these busine…

I agree and it actually gets worse… The other alternative to gentrifying a neighborhood is moving to a LCOL city and watching prices rise there. So now Americans want to keep other Americans out of their cities. And on top of that we are so car dependent that we can’t hope to build the kind of infill housing we need because there is literally not enough road capacity and transit options == lol. Too bad the US has som…

What does LCOL stand for?

Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree and it actually gets worse… The other alternative to gentrifying a neighborhood is moving to a LCOL city and watching prices rise there. So now Americans want to keep other Americans out of their cities. And on top of that we are so car dependent that we can’t hope to build the kind of infill housing we need because there is literally not enough road capacity and transit options == lol. Too bad the US has som…

What does LCOL stand for?

Low cost of living.

Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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The author doesn't consider our parents and their parents didn't own a modern house walking distance from dinning and entertainment which is what most people aspire to today. They also married very young, had three kids before 25 and signed up for 30 year loans to pay their cookie cutter suburban homes. You could technically do the same today, it's just that living that type of life would be absolutely terrifying for…

What's terrifying there? I mean the 3 kids at a young age sounds like more than I could have handled but everything else you wrote sounds like the dream.

The expenses and debts that it would entail along with precarity.

Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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The author doesn't consider our parents and their parents didn't own a modern house walking distance from dinning and entertainment which is what most people aspire to today. They also married very young, had three kids before 25 and signed up for 30 year loans to pay their cookie cutter suburban homes. You could technically do the same today, it's just that living that type of life would be absolutely terrifying for…

>Own a house walking distance from dinning and entertainment My parents and their parents did. Neither were rich. Perhaps not super bougie places but they had various community things nearby like dancing, bowling, bars, gyms, malls, etc. Detroit and detroit metro.

Every area is different but actually being walking distance to stuff was always pretty unusual.

Re: Opinion: Gen Z is right to reject the false gospel of productivity

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Hustle culture is a form of CYA for poor managers. If I, incompetent manager, hammer on my employees to hustle, I can claim I am doing my best to manage my team and any deficiency must be their fault because I've set the standard.

Nevermind that every job is different and the outcomes are measured very differently and sometimes "hustling" or "staying busy" is actually a substandard way of achieving most tasks consistently as the short term benefits of hustling give way to burnout.

Bad managers are asking employees to constantly sprint when business is a marathon. It's a weak form of leadership generally ascribed to the "professional" managers with (only) business school backgrounds who can't understand what their employees actually do nor understand the system of the company as a whole.

It's a classic short term quarterly profits mentality.

Employees have for centuries been doing this sort of thing. Looking busy by optimizing for busyness over actual productivity because they realize managers are only concerned with looking good and skating by, not the actual business outcomes.

Note for those starting a business: design your corporate structure so that middle managers incentives are visibly aligned with the actual success of the company and not with visible working culture. And then set the pace properly.

A motor cannot work at 100% duty cycle and maintain it's longest possible service life before being rebuilt.

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