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Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by colton36 » Mon, Jan 23, 2012, 8:23 AM UTC

cpeterso wrote: post #36

MBCook wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think their only chance to be relevant would be to get our of the hardware business and rush to be a service company. They should start making Blackberry Enterprise Server integration for Android. They should see if they could get Apple to let the iPhone hook in too. Their phones are a lost cause. Even if they had an amazing phone in the pipeline, I don't think they could stop their slide if it was released tomorro…

Spot on. People loved their CrackBerries because of the messaging services (and maybe the keyboards), not the tired phone software. iOS and Android devices dominate the enterprise now, but RIM could retain a server-side position BES. IT departments might like a single enterprising message service that can they can standardize across the variety of Android and iOS devices they will have to support.

Can someone enlighten me as to what advantage BES holds over the way iOS and Android communicate?

I agree that several years ago, when phone having an IP address was unheard of, BES made all the sense in the world. It's kind of pointless now.

Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by digamber_kamat » Mon, Jan 23, 2012, 9:26 AM UTC

Too less too late. They should focus all their energies on BBX and be a lot more developer friendly.

Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by justincormack » Mon, Jan 23, 2012, 10:16 AM UTC

MBCook wrote: post #20

mvkel wrote: post #3

Too little too late? If we start seeing tons of "expense cutting" measures with no innovation, they need to a) hire from the outside for a fresh perspective or b) get acquired

I think their only chance to be relevant would be to get our of the hardware business and rush to be a service company. They should start making Blackberry Enterprise Server integration for Android. They should see if they could get Apple to let the iPhone hook in too. Their phones are a lost cause. Even if they had an amazing phone in the pipeline, I don't think they could stop their slide if it was released tomorro…

It is just as hard to see how you coukd build a long term sustainable company based on BES though. In the end selling it to Microsoft would seem the only sane outcome, so it can be part of a Windows offering.

Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by loceng » Mon, Jan 23, 2012, 12:51 PM UTC

xal wrote: post #10

faramarz wrote: post #4

Quote from The Globe and Mail article[1] I read earlier: "...new chief executive officer says the company is doing everything right and does not need a change in strategy..." oh boy! [1] http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/at-researc...

That's generally a good thing to say when the people that he has to calm the most are the Street and their demotivated workforce. People as a whole don't like change.

You don't accomplish this change in people by saying things are fine - you act and do things that show you and the company is strong. That's the only way people will change their feelings. And you better be truthful when promoting your enthusiasm or it'll come back to bite you..

Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by davidw » Mon, Jan 23, 2012, 1:05 PM UTC

I could see this company earning a spot in future versions of 'In Search of Stupidity'. (If you don't know the book, don't knock what I'm saying before you read it. It's one of my favorite reads about high tech business)

Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by Mordor » Mon, Jan 23, 2012, 1:52 PM UTC

Perhaps RIM's real value lies in their patents (or lack thereof) and this explains why they are unable to make a viable product?

Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by untog » Mon, Jan 23, 2012, 3:51 PM UTC

wavephorm wrote: post #37

whatusername wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the metric your post used was Handsets, not Profit: "everywhere else in the first world owns or will own an iPhone."

I made a generalization, I didn't use metrics. In any case, I find this type of pedantry kind of annoying. I made a point about RIM losing marketshare, my point was not about what percentage of a certain market Apple owns.

It's not really pedantry, though. You said that everyone does or will own an iPhone- that's demonstrably not true.

Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by wavephorm » Wed, Jan 25, 2012, 6:02 AM UTC

untog wrote: post #47

wavephorm wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made a generalization, I didn't use metrics. In any case, I find this type of pedantry kind of annoying. I made a point about RIM losing marketshare, my point was not about what percentage of a certain market Apple owns.

It's not really pedantry, though. You said that everyone does or will own an iPhone- that's demonstrably not true.

Nitpicking one aspect of my argument that RIM declines in marketshare based on whether my argument that Apple is or will become the dominant mobile platform is most certainly the absolute definition of pedantry.

Re: RIM CEOs to Give Up Top Posts in Shuffle

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Post by Stormbringer » Thu, Jan 26, 2012, 11:38 PM UTC

allertonm wrote: post #35

Stormbringer wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They had recently been increasing volume (and to an extent profit) by cutting prices, of course there is only so far you can cut into prices before profit suffers. Gruber referenced something about this not so long ago - someone had written an article showing that historically companies that do this appear good in the short term, but in the long term it is a huge danger sign. Hence the person to whom you were replyin…

Pretty sure the piece you are referring to was by Michael Mace: http://mobileopportunity.blogspot.com/2010/10/whats-really-w...

Fantastic. Thanks for going to the trouble of finding and linking that. Much appreciated.