OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot • Hacker News Board

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by xwdv » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 10:37 PM UTC

ilaksh wrote: post #7

The Foundry pricing, $78,000 for a few months minimum, is absolutely the opposite of Open. It could completely kill my small startup if the API goes from less than a penny per request to requiring a huge up-front investment. It means that anyone bootstrapping is now locked out.

Good.

I’m tired of fly by night tech bros flooding the markets with shitty AI business ideas they learned about on Youtube. Pay to play. Take a risk. Like a real entrepreneur.

I hope the price goes even higher.

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by tshaddox » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 10:40 PM UTC

version_five wrote: post #29

dragonwriter wrote: post #22

> This really should not be a surprise, because even the standard-issue ChatGPT can pass the Bar Exam No, it can’t. The two things that together have sometimes gotten misrepresented that way in “game of telephone” presentations are: (1) that when tested on the multiple choice component of the multistate bar exam (not the whole bar exam), it got passing grades in two subjects (evidence and torts), not the whole multip…

I know this isnt the same, but: I've long had it on my list of things to try to train a classifier to predict the answer to multiple choice tests based on embedding of the questions. Many tests I've seen don't require actual intelligence to pass, just a plausible answer relative to the question phrasing

A lot of multiple choice tests are only there to provide some minimum bar of plausible deniability for the examiner. The multiple choice section of a driving test (at least in the two U.S. states I've taken them) is a great example. The questions are almost entirely of the form:

Which of these activities is legally permitted while operating an automobile?

A. Wearing your seatbelt.

B. Being intoxicated.

C. Driving 120 miles per hour.

D. Intentionally colliding with pedestrians.

That way, when someone drives drunk, it clearly isn't the fault of the examiner, because they clearly verified that the person knew that was illegal! (Or at least, if they got that question wrong, they got enough other ones correct.)

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by inawarminister » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 10:42 PM UTC

ilaksh wrote: post #7

The Foundry pricing, $78,000 for a few months minimum, is absolutely the opposite of Open. It could completely kill my small startup if the API goes from less than a penny per request to requiring a huge up-front investment. It means that anyone bootstrapping is now locked out.

It's time to replicate OpenAI services with a real Open Source (or at least source-available, commercial-allowed) licenses.

It's time to make our own Linux. Our own Emacs.

Go to open-assistant.io and other similar initiatives.

Unfortunately GPT-NEOX, LLaMA, and OPT-IML are non-commercial-only. We small scale players should make our own.

Please contact me if anyone is interested in this space.

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by moffkalast » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 10:44 PM UTC

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #17

So much for "Open" AI. Open-source algorithm? No. Open access for free, or reasonable prices? No. Open emails and conversations of directors (accountability)? No. Open conversations of issues and ethics? No.

Open your wallet? Yes.

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by blibble » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 10:47 PM UTC

phoning customer support is already painful when there's a human on the end

a bot that gives sometimes random answers seems like a particularly cruel form of torture to inflict on your customers

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by code_runner » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 11:14 PM UTC

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #17

So much for "Open" AI. Open-source algorithm? No. Open access for free, or reasonable prices? No. Open emails and conversations of directors (accountability)? No. Open conversations of issues and ethics? No.

Perhaps they mean that they operate in the open? They publish research, do open unrestricted beta tests etc.

I'm not sure they will necessarily live up to every definition of open you'll ever come up with, but its hardly the worst name in the tech space.

I'm still waiting for apple to deliver that tree to me. Facebook isn't a book AND the faces are almost always the smallest piece of content on a post (and some people's avatar isn't even their face!). Can't wait for my trip to the Amazon w/ Mr Bezos!

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by sebzim4500 » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 11:14 PM UTC

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #17

So much for "Open" AI. Open-source algorithm? No. Open access for free, or reasonable prices? No. Open emails and conversations of directors (accountability)? No. Open conversations of issues and ethics? No.

It's supposed to be 'Open' in comparison to Deepmind/Google Brain, not open in comparison to e.g. Linux.

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by MagicMoonlight » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 11:20 PM UTC

3throwaway3141 wrote: post #24

ccakes wrote: post #23

> Streamline hiring – in such a hot market, personalizing outreach, assessing resumes, summarizing & flagging profiles, and suggesting interview questions. For companies who have an overabundance of candidates, perhaps even conducting initial interviews? That's a hiring red flag if I've ever seen one. The nightmare dystopia is just around the corner it seems.

Dystopia? I think of it as a great comedy! We could be only months away from the first-ever hire where both the applicant and the company have automated the entire process and may not even realize there's been an accepted offer.

That's a good point. I could pay OpenAI for a corporate account and then get it to apply for a hundred remote jobs. Then plug it into slack etc and let it work those jobs while I collect the money.

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by holoduke » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 11:20 PM UTC

buildbot wrote: post #13

mc32 wrote: post #9

With reports[1] (maybe exaggerated, maybe apocryphal) of companies replacing FTEs with chatGPT, even at these high prices, it may make sense in some use cases, no, tho presumably this kills the playpen use cases. [1] https://it.slashdot.org/story/23/02/27/009234/survey-claims-...

Nobody is doing this, unless you have a source you would like to link?

We use it for automated translations of sports commentaries. The results are mind blowing. Far ahead of Google translate.

Re: OpenAI's Foundry leaked pricing says a lot

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Post by simple-thoughts » Tue, Feb 28, 2023, 11:30 PM UTC

Nifty3929 wrote: post #14

ilaksh wrote: post #7

The Foundry pricing, $78,000 for a few months minimum, is absolutely the opposite of Open. It could completely kill my small startup if the API goes from less than a penny per request to requiring a huge up-front investment. It means that anyone bootstrapping is now locked out.

$78k is very small, even for bootstrapped companies. Only the very smallest shops would be inhibited by that. And I admit, that's a lot of them! I get it. It sucks to be a solo developer who wants to get involved and doesn't want to spend a bunch of cash. But still, for even small players $250k annually just isn't that much. What we might hope for are trimmed down, subsidized options for small shops who want to get s…

Many of us don’t have access to banking or financial services, and “open” ai doesn’t accept crypto payments. The name is a legacy from their nonprofit days and has nothing to do with being open to the public.