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Why are so many young men single and sexless?

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Re: Why are so many young men single and sexless?

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post #30

> Recent Pew Research indicates that over 60% of young men are currently single. Given that the proportion and dynamics of some-sex relations makes not a big difference here, would this not imply that roughly the same percentage of young women are currently single, too?

Not if women are dating older men, or if there is a gendered difference in the way people interpret the question (ie: what the definition of single is). Probably some combination.

Then older single women should be more common than older single men.

Damn, it's so tough for the older women out there in the cutthroat dating world. Why don't young single men start dating older women?

Re: Why are so many young men single and sexless?

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post #31

I find it fascinating that this article only calls for young men to change their behavior but demands nothing of young women.

It is about men being single and male sexual happiness. Otherwise said, it is about what men should do to make themselves more happy. The implied assumption is that women are happy with status quo or might even have opposite interests.

That’s a hell of an assumption.

My informed guess is once you scratch off the Instagram paint it’s an absolute disaster too.

Re: Why are so many young men single and sexless?

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> Recent Pew Research indicates that over 60% of young men are currently single. Given that the proportion and dynamics of some-sex relations makes not a big difference here, would this not imply that roughly the same percentage of young women are currently single, too?

Not at all, we're not completely sure why but single women: single men is 2:1 ( https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/3868557-most-yo... )

> Social circles have been shrinking for men and women, especially since the pandemic, but men struggle more. Thirty years ago, 55 percent of men reported having six or more close friends. By 2021, that share had slipped to 27 percent.

I am surprised over this. I thought the boys have advantage over girls in pandemic friends keeping. First, they play videogames as a form of socialization much more and therefore pandemic affected it much less. They still kept playing games with friends. And second, because non-feminist and slightly anti-feminists pundits created minor panic over girls socialization. (I put emphasis on non-and-slightly-anti-feminist, because feminists focusing on girls does not imply anything special).

Like, I get how video games as form of socialization prevent finding partner. But I am surprised they did not helped boys to keep friends.

Re: Why are so many young men single and sexless?

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The reality is that young men have always been “optional” in society. Biology looms large. Women seek to mate with the most high status males, evidenced by the fraction of men who get the majority of the “action” on dating apps and in life. Thus throughout history we’ve died in the wars and otherwise exist in the margins. An example of the desparity to me is the concept “mansplaining” woke culture disparages. Some wo…

I don't think that makes sense. The average age gap in relationships is about 2-3 years in Western Europe according to Google. I certainly wouldn't expect "the most high status males" to be uniformly distributed across age. I expect "high status" and "old" correlate quite well, and if what you said is the case, I'd expect the age gap to be significantly larger.

I expect that "attention" has a power law distribution for women too. It do not expect it is at all easier being a less than average looking woman.

Re: Why are so many young men single and sexless?

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post #21

> Faced with the choice between an energy-intensive, highly competitive dating environment and the low-effort rewards of porn, young men appear to be taking the path of least resistance. If young men are dropping out of the competition and resorting to porn instead, then who's staying in the dating environment to keep it competitive? With all those porn dropouts, I should have an easy time dating, right?

Dates Georg is an outlier and may be ignored.

Re: Why are so many young men single and sexless?

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The article comes off as slightly condescending; even as I'm 32 and just above the "Young men" threshold (Some of the thing mentioned, such as young women not looking for emotional attachment as much might be true, but what about >30 women?

My early 20s, online dating era romantic life was miserable; it made me feel completely worthless and that's a sentiment A LOT of young men get from those dating apps. I simply gave up, which was a good choice for a poor, stressed out and anxious engineering student.

However, around 28 and forward this drastically changed; and anyone above 30 can probably recall how the dynamic switches around this age group; men get more comfortable about themselves and women realizes that they're competing against people younger than them (which is a group growing every year). If family is a desire then that also add a sense of urgency

So suddenly (assuming you've put some work in) the dating (and sex) life becomes a balanced game.

This is ofc affected by other factors such as culture and demographics, which is closely tied to locations. But people have moved country and cities for all form of opportunities (including mating) so this is a way easier problem to solve, if one prioritizes it.

People already get married and have kids later, and have for a while. Only focusing on <30 males seems like a scope very useless to analyze the issue, if not from the negativa mental health consequences this have for young men

Re: Why are so many young men single and sexless?

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The reality is that young men have always been “optional” in society. Biology looms large. Women seek to mate with the most high status males, evidenced by the fraction of men who get the majority of the “action” on dating apps and in life. Thus throughout history we’ve died in the wars and otherwise exist in the margins. An example of the desparity to me is the concept “mansplaining” woke culture disparages. Some wo…

> “mansplaining” > I’ve always been grateful that anyone would take the time to educate or otherwise try to share information You should really read up the meaning of this word because that's not it. It specifically covers the case of downtalking masculine men towards women, I see it all the time and it's despicable.

While you’re right, I would advise to always take a step back and understand that it also might be a listener problem. People come out wrong many times too.

Re: Why are so many young men single and sexless?

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post #10

A therapist is recommending therapy to improve men’s relationship skills and to stop watch porn. But the author says the “problem” (for lack of a better term) is women are less interested in dating (focusing on careers and education) and are overwhelmed with their number of choices. This seems like a supply side problem. I’m not seeing how therapy will fix top of the funnel issues.

I mean it is both. When most men have different expectations of a relationship than most women that means there will be less relationships over all.

As of the therapy question: As someone who is in a happy relationship for more than a decade and never felt in need of therapy, I'd still agree here. If you want a healthy relationship with good sex, both sides being at good terms with themselves and their sexuality is a must. Therapy can be a very good way to come to terms with things that you would otherwise have a hard time adressing yourself.

If this is indeed a "supply side issue" that just means men must adjust to become the persons most women would like to share their lives with. Or even more simply put: They need to avoid being the person who women do not like to share their lives with: Men who are not on good terms with themselves, who have never reflected on who they are and why they have the desires they have, men who are desperate to get sex and don't even care anymore with whom, and when they get sex, the kind of sex they want comes out of works of fiction. There is a good supply of men like these and it turns out women are not in demand for that type.

You will have men that fit that exact description and still get women, by means of having a ton of money, good looks and so on – so they found different ways of attracting a specific subset of women that seeks for that. But my advice here is: If a man wants a happy and fulfilling relationship, starting with the baseline of "A man has to trick women into liking him" is a recipe for disaster. You might find women who accept this, but you will never find someone who likes you for who you are instead of for what you are.

Therapy is a good (but not the only) way to become a grounded, balanced, better individual and those tend to fare better in relationships.

Re: Why are so many young men single and sexless?

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The reality is that young men have always been “optional” in society. Biology looms large. Women seek to mate with the most high status males, evidenced by the fraction of men who get the majority of the “action” on dating apps and in life. Thus throughout history we’ve died in the wars and otherwise exist in the margins. An example of the desparity to me is the concept “mansplaining” woke culture disparages. Some wo…

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