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Re: Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Moldova

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Post by watwut »

somenameforme wrote: post #37
watwut wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Russia exporting their military into other countries territory does not count as independence.

And you begging the question. When Ukraine's government was overthrown in 2014, numerous regions declared their independence. It's so absurdly illogical to try to claim that they can't do this, yet "we" (in that the 2014 insurrection was overtly backed by the US) have every right to overthrow their government. Imagine if the January 6th riots somehow actually did end up driving e.g. Biden out of office. Would states…

That is very manipulative framing and essentially a lie.

That Russia did not managed in 2014 to threaten Ukraine away from western direction is what happened. Russia treated Ujrainian president not to sigh EU membership, Ukrainians revolted. Not an USA coup. And prites against specific rejection of democracy bt president.

Ukraine did not became Belarus in 2014 due to protests which were against Russian meddling. USA proteats were trying to impose autocracy.

Re: Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Moldova

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Post by mynameisvlad »

foverzar wrote: post #39
mynameisvlad wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whataboutism is not a great look on anyone.

> Whataboutism Literally "don't dismiss my non-relevant hypocrisy". Cheap rhetorical tricks aren't really a great look either.

The entirety of the comment is saying:

A. It’s ok because war

B. Voice of America does it so it’s ok

That is, quite plainly, whataboutism. There is no substance in the comment beyond “others do it too so it’s ok for Russians to as well and if you think otherwise, well look at these others”

I know it’s hard for you to see whataboutism when your comeback to Yandex being censored was “In any case, the problem is that anything else is also censored.” but try harder.

Re: Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Moldova

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Post by mynameisvlad »

foverzar wrote: post #38
mynameisvlad wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the word “alias” somehow make the process kosher? It is not the gotcha you think it is.

Not sure I understand what you mean, what "process"?. There shouldn't be any "gotchas" unless you are naive about how public service search engines operate.

Your comment tries to dismiss the argument by using softer terms like “alias” (and whataboutism but that’s a whole nother issue).

I am telling you that the word “alias” is not some gotcha that absolves Yandex of their actions like you imply.

Re: Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Moldova

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Post by scared333 »

thiscatis wrote: post #9
litiholofan wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've experienced more divisive content from western media itself than overt anti-west stuff from RT or yandex lmao.

Feel free to move to Russia if you don’t live there already and you’ll no longer have to worry about being exposed to western media!

This is underrated comment. And by looking at the knee-jerk reactions from accounts with 0-10 karma, might just be right on the money.

For me, having moved from the US to eastern Europe has been eye opening in this regard. Based on somewhat shallow sampling of parents of our kids classmates in $$$ IB school, everyone but one seem to be vocal about the fact that everything in the west is from the 'ass'. I admit that it has crossed my mind more than once that if you really feel so strongly this way, or are upset that people don't want to speak russian with you, then why are you still here and not on your way back already?

Re: Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Moldova

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Post by bigger_inside »

foverzar wrote: post #39
mynameisvlad wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whataboutism is not a great look on anyone.

> Whataboutism Literally "don't dismiss my non-relevant hypocrisy". Cheap rhetorical tricks aren't really a great look either.

exactly. "whataboutism" is nothing more than "how dare you not let me force you to talk about/deride what -I- want to talk about/deride, and on top of it, you do it by pointing out what a blatant hypocrite I am in my rant!". The cheapest of cheap comebacks.

Re: Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Moldova

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Post by woooooo »

mynameisvlad wrote: post #42
foverzar wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whataboutism Literally "don't dismiss my non-relevant hypocrisy". Cheap rhetorical tricks aren't really a great look either.

The entirety of the comment is saying: A. It’s ok because war B. Voice of America does it so it’s ok That is, quite plainly, whataboutism. There is no substance in the comment beyond “others do it too so it’s ok for Russians to as well and if you think otherwise, well look at these others” I know it’s hard for you to see whataboutism when your comeback to Yandex being censored was “In any case, the problem is that an…

Taxonomy is the lowest form of thought.

Either it's an outrage for MSFT to do business with warmongering countries, or it isn't. Saying we only care about Russian aggressions while ignoring our own is just jingoism.

Re: Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Moldova

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Post by mynameisvlad »

woooooo wrote: post #46
mynameisvlad wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entirety of the comment is saying: A. It’s ok because war B. Voice of America does it so it’s ok That is, quite plainly, whataboutism. There is no substance in the comment beyond “others do it too so it’s ok for Russians to as well and if you think otherwise, well look at these others” I know it’s hard for you to see whataboutism when your comeback to Yandex being censored was “In any case, the problem is that an…

Taxonomy is the lowest form of thought. Either it's an outrage for MSFT to do business with warmongering countries, or it isn't. Saying we only care about Russian aggressions while ignoring our own is just jingoism.

It’s not even remotely as black and white as you make it seem, and that still doesn’t excuse whataboutism. “Warmongering” after all is an extremely objective description that I’m sure people would not disagree on the definition of at all /s.

If anything, both should be individually evaluated. But blankly dismissing one as “it’s ok Voice of America does it too” is adding nothing to the discussion but shitty logical fallacies.

Re: Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Moldova

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Post by AdrenalinMd »

jaynetics wrote: post #40
AdrenalinMd wrote: post #2

Microsoft signed a deal in 2015 to set Yandex as the default search engine in several countries close to Russia. The article mentions "Kazakhstan, Turkey, and Ukraine". The list is not exhaustive, as I know about Moldova and Georgia. https://www.windowscentral.com/microsoft-partners-russias-ya... The list includes Ukraine! I've tested Edge with Ukraine as a Region on my MacOS, and it no longer appears to set it to Ya…

Thank goodness edge's market share is very low in these countries. About 2% for Moldova [1]. For MSFT, this is a huge embarrassment, reminiscent of Google's infamous "project dragonfly". And they deleted your inquiry on their forums for "violating the community guidelines"! Not exactly PR geniuses, are they? [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/browser-market-share/all/moldova

I wonder how accurate those numbers are about Edge. As 79.48% of desktop users in Moldova are on Windows 10 and Windows 11. [1]

Microsoft Edge is the default web browser on Windows 10, Windows 11. [2]

Meaning at a huge amount of population will see Yandex when they search for something at least for the first time. Unless they install another browser immediately or change the default search engine.

And yes, I wasn't expecting to see my inquiry deleted on their forum. I'm posting again without the screenshot. In case they didn't like what Yandex returns as results (which is weird, as it is their "business partner").

I'm also very humbled by the support of the hacker news community. As a long time lurker, it warms my heart a lot to see so much support. I hope it reaches Microsoft.

[1] https://gs.statcounter.com/os-version-market-share/windows/d...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Edge#Features

Re: Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Moldova

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Post by somenameforme »

watwut wrote: post #41
somenameforme wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you begging the question. When Ukraine's government was overthrown in 2014, numerous regions declared their independence. It's so absurdly illogical to try to claim that they can't do this, yet "we" (in that the 2014 insurrection was overtly backed by the US) have every right to overthrow their government. Imagine if the January 6th riots somehow actually did end up driving e.g. Biden out of office. Would states…

That is very manipulative framing and essentially a lie. That Russia did not managed in 2014 to threaten Ukraine away from western direction is what happened. Russia treated Ujrainian president not to sigh EU membership, Ukrainians revolted. Not an USA coup. And prites against specific rejection of democracy bt president. Ukraine did not became Belarus in 2014 due to protests which were against Russian meddling. USA…

This [1] is a video of John McCain in the capitol of Ukraine in 2013, shortly before the occasionally violent protests turned into an outright insurrection. He was saying, with minimal sugar coating, "revolt and we'll have your back." Victoria Nuland, currently part of Biden's cabinet, was also there actively agitating protesters.

Imagine this in a parallel world in the US. Where the US is a relatively weak, impoverished, and deeply corrupt nation. And the speaker was from ostensibly the most powerful nation in the world. You'd have brought out every anti-government individual in the country, all with that twinkle of violence in their eyes. Which is exactly what happened.

I don't really think we would have taken these steps if we felt that the protests would have played out as desired without our meddling, because it ruins even the perception of independence. It was just another in the endless line of long US driven coups. That's not to say the Ukrainian people (particularly of Western Ukraine) were happy. But there's a dramatic difference between dissatisfaction, even to the point of occasionally violent protest, and an actual successful insurrection.

I have an immense amount of empathy, and compassion, for the people of Ukraine. But I don't think we're making their lives, or even the lives of their children to come, any better. To say the least.

[1] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93eyhO8VTdg

Re: Microsoft Edge sets Yandex as default search engine in Moldova

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Post by slaw »

litiholofan wrote: post #3

I use yandex over google/bing. Works well for western censored content - however it does have a clear disinfo bent for english language searches. I still prefer it over google simply because it returns results like google used to in 2010 or so lol. Give it a go, you'll see what I mean.

I use Yandex sometimes for the same reasons, it is like Google from 2010, image search still works and old personal websites are still indexed. Is Yandex still Russian company or is it detached from Russia like Jetbrains and Telegram?
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