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Re: I don't owe you scala-tools.org

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Post by ww520 »

soc88 wrote: post #36
nknight wrote: post #27

The response to these incidents is depressingly predictable. "Yes he has the right to shut it down, but..." -- no, there is no "but". Consider this: An employee quits his job. Do you say "Yes, he has the right to quit, but..."? No. There is no "but". He has the right to quit, period. Involuntary servitude isn't allowed even when someone is getting paid for it, what the hell makes you think it's acceptable when they a…

This comparison is just deeply flawed. Point is, he can do whatever he wants, but his actions are solely designed to make the live of everyone else a bit harder, just for the sake of it.

I didn't see he forgot to return the keys (owned by the company). He asked for help to transition it off. No one came, so he just shut it down.

Yes. I can see how everyone's life is a bit harder since he has stopped providing free product and service for them. Well, they had a free ride to begin with.

Re: I don't owe you scala-tools.org

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Post by tankenmate »

soc88 wrote: post #37
nknight wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the domain is a .org That has no particular significance. The Big Three TLDs haven't had any special requirements or policies in many years. > its name is not his but that of the language The language's name is "Scala", not "scala-tools.org", but let's assume you just think any domain with "scala" in its name is effectively the name "Scala". I have some news for you: "Scala" is also the name of a typeface, the stud…

Maybe someone should try to explain to you the concept of a "trademark".

I think that is one variant of his point and you have completely missed it. Who in the "community" should own the "trademark"? Did someone register it? Do "they" represent the community?

Re: I don't owe you scala-tools.org

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Post by soc88 »

ww520 wrote: post #41
soc88 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comparison is just deeply flawed. Point is, he can do whatever he wants, but his actions are solely designed to make the live of everyone else a bit harder, just for the sake of it.

I didn't see he forgot to return the keys (owned by the company). He asked for help to transition it off. No one came, so he just shut it down. Yes. I can see how everyone's life is a bit harder since he has stopped providing free product and service for them. Well, they had a free ride to begin with.

You are still missing it completely.

Re: I don't owe you scala-tools.org

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Post by soc88 »

tankenmate wrote: post #42
soc88 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe someone should try to explain to you the concept of a "trademark".

I think that is one variant of his point and you have completely missed it. Who in the "community" should own the "trademark"? Did someone register it? Do "they" represent the community?

The EPFL owns it, especially the logo he is also using. And no, registering is not always a requirement.

Re: I don't owe you scala-tools.org

#46

Post by soc88 »

nknight wrote: post #39
soc88 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe someone should try to explain to you the concept of a "trademark".

I can find no evidence of anyone registering "Scala" as a trademark for a programming language. www.scala-lang.org never indicates there is a trademark or uses any usual trademark symbol. I expect I'll be receiving an apology for your condescending assault on my intelligence?

Sorry. I think we should try having a constructive debate again, that was lost a bit it seems.

Re: I don't owe you scala-tools.org

#47

Post by soc88 »

nknight wrote: post #40
soc88 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This comparison is just deeply flawed. Point is, he can do whatever he wants, but his actions are solely designed to make the live of everyone else a bit harder, just for the sake of it.

The "keys" in this case are his own property, and any banners he might want to put up are being put up on his own property, so your supposed point makes no sense.

So you would expect to be totally within your rights if you would register windows-tools.com/net, ipod-library.com/net and use these sites to damage the reputation of the mentioned product?

Re: I don't owe you scala-tools.org

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Post by nknight »

soc88 wrote: post #47
nknight wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "keys" in this case are his own property, and any banners he might want to put up are being put up on his own property, so your supposed point makes no sense.

So you would expect to be totally within your rights if you would register windows-tools.com/net, ipod-library.com/net and use these sites to damage the reputation of the mentioned product?

You seem to be stuck on the idea that there's some sort of legally-enforceable trademark at issue, but you've provided no evidence of it. To even begin to claim a trademark, you must assert it, and I see no evidence of anyone asserting such a trademark. To actually enforce it in court, registration is required in the US and I'm sure at least some other countries.

You also have interpreted his statements as saying he will seek to harm the reputation of Scala, but his statements only imply that if you assume the worst about people. In other words, you're projecting.

Re: I don't owe you scala-tools.org

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Post by bmelton »

soc88 wrote: post #44
ww520 wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I didn't see he forgot to return the keys (owned by the company). He asked for help to transition it off. No one came, so he just shut it down. Yes. I can see how everyone's life is a bit harder since he has stopped providing free product and service for them. Well, they had a free ride to begin with.

You are still missing it completely.

I believe it is you missing the point. They're his keys. If I quit the company I'm working for, they can't just take all all my keys because at some point they gave me some.

This is no different than my old neighbor, Mr. Taylor. He used to let us use the pool in his backyard until one of the kids pooped in it. He stopped letting those kids come to the pool.

It's his pool, and it's his choice who can and can't use it. In this case, David Pollack has just decided nobody can use the pool, and he's put a fence around it.

You're just pissed you can't use the pool for free anymore.

Re: I don't owe you scala-tools.org

#50

Post by soc88 »

nknight wrote: post #48
soc88 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you would expect to be totally within your rights if you would register windows-tools.com/net, ipod-library.com/net and use these sites to damage the reputation of the mentioned product?

You seem to be stuck on the idea that there's some sort of legally-enforceable trademark at issue, but you've provided no evidence of it. To even begin to claim a trademark, you must assert it, and I see no evidence of anyone asserting such a trademark. To actually enforce it in court, registration is required in the US and I'm sure at least some other countries. You also have interpreted his statements as saying he…

Then maybe you should actually read the text.

Apart from that, registering multiple common scala-* domains and then making them point to his blog instead of something actually related to the topic is pretty much the definition of domain grabbing.

Sure, he can do it and figure out if he gets away with it. But in my opinion it is just ethically and morally wrong to register domains which with popular names which are expected to be used by Scala-related projects and keep them to punish the whole community for something a single person did.

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