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Apple, please don’t take all of the buttons away

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Re: Apple, please don’t take all of the buttons away

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Post by mrtksn »

izacus wrote: post #13

I'm sure they'll do it since it saves money. I had a horrible time teaching my grandparents to use the gesture navigation on their new iPad (they still hate it, they still get regularly anxious because they can't reliably make the "home" gesture instead of clear feedback of a hardware button and there's many gestures they accidentally trigger which cannot be disabled in A11y or MDM settings) - but they saved money an…

Have you tried the accessibility features? I see many people use soft home button that float on the screen because they find it convenient.

Re: Apple, please don’t take all of the buttons away

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Post by zaroth »

phpisthebest wrote: post #37
tobyjsullivan wrote: post #35

Has anybody noted that 80% of iPhones have a case?[0] For all the comments praising the physical iPhone buttons, when was the last time you actually touched one? Apple has been building for this reality for years (see: camera hardware that juts out). This is just the next iteration. And, yes, it sucks to be in the 20% as an Apple customer. They always design for the 80%. [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/368627…

I am not an iPhone user but do iPhone cases block the buttons? I have always had a case on all my Android phones, and none of them blocked any of the buttons. I use buttons all the time, with a case on my phone.

“Cover” is probably what OP meant - not block as in prevent the user from operating. You’re pressing the case, not the button directly.

So whether there’s a perfectly tuned click response from a physical mechanism or just haptics under the layer of plastic is kind of irrelevant.

Re: Apple, please don’t take all of the buttons away

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Post by galleywest200 »

phpisthebest wrote: post #37
tobyjsullivan wrote: post #35

Has anybody noted that 80% of iPhones have a case?[0] For all the comments praising the physical iPhone buttons, when was the last time you actually touched one? Apple has been building for this reality for years (see: camera hardware that juts out). This is just the next iteration. And, yes, it sucks to be in the 20% as an Apple customer. They always design for the 80%. [0] https://www.statista.com/statistics/368627…

I am not an iPhone user but do iPhone cases block the buttons? I have always had a case on all my Android phones, and none of them blocked any of the buttons. I use buttons all the time, with a case on my phone.

I have never seen an iPhone case that blocks the buttons personally, so I am not sure what OP is on about. _Maybe_ an iPad case would do this.

Re: Apple, please don’t take all of the buttons away

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Post by batmanthehorse »

karmelapple wrote: post #39
abledon wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

reason I still use my IphoneSE version 1. still has the actual button on the front face. Hoping they release another model in the next 3-4 years with an actual front-facing button

I don’t quite follow - what is the reason? That you wish there was a haptic home button? iPhones never had haptic buttons on the front face - only real physical press buttons.

That’s not true. Starting with iPhone 7 the front home button is haptic solid state. It feels better than the old one and breaks less.

For this reason, I’m totally fine with them doing the same for volume buttons. Also feels great on the AirPod pros

Re: Apple, please don’t take all of the buttons away

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Post by flenserboy »

The elimination of buttons is not just a hardware issue; it goes hand-in-hand with the elimination of visual cues on websites & in apps. We're getting close to needing some sort of WordPerfect function-key guide attached to our phones & tablets to know what to click on so we don't have to stab randomly around our device (due to missing buttons) or screen (due to lack of cues) to know what is a link, button, or action. Bare minimalism should not be a goal, but more of an approach.

Re: Apple, please don’t take all of the buttons away

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Post by alwillis »

izacus wrote: post #13

I'm sure they'll do it since it saves money. I had a horrible time teaching my grandparents to use the gesture navigation on their new iPad (they still hate it, they still get regularly anxious because they can't reliably make the "home" gesture instead of clear feedback of a hardware button and there's many gestures they accidentally trigger which cannot be disabled in A11y or MDM settings) - but they saved money an…

> I'm sure they'll do it since it saves money.

It’s not about money—we’re talking about pennies here. The Pro series iPhones start at $999.

It’s always been an Apple thing to get rid of as many buttons, ports and cables as possible.

Unlike other smartphones, the iPhone never had a physical keyboard or SD card slots. In the US, new iPhones no longer have SIM slots, only eSIM.

So we shouldn’t be surprised that they may remove the physical buttons—but it should also mean additional functionality of some kind.

Re: Apple, please don’t take all of the buttons away

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Post by batmanthehorse »

galleywest200 wrote: post #43
phpisthebest wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not an iPhone user but do iPhone cases block the buttons? I have always had a case on all my Android phones, and none of them blocked any of the buttons. I use buttons all the time, with a case on my phone.

I have never seen an iPhone case that blocks the buttons personally, so I am not sure what OP is on about. _Maybe_ an iPad case would do this.

I’m using an official Apple iPhone 14 case right now and it covers the buttons with other buttons which will transfer the pressure. You never touch the actual original buttons (but the silence switch is exposed).

Re: Apple, please don’t take all of the buttons away

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Post by Veen »

helmholtz wrote: post #25

Is this journalism? The first sentence itself is incorrect. > But since reports have been surfacing for a while now that [...]. Well, what about it? You cannot start a sentence with "But since" and not offer a what it means .

It's probably bad editing. I'd guess that the original sentence made sense, but they changed the end without going back to change the beginning. It happens often when writers and editors are in a hurry.

Re: Apple, please don’t take all of the buttons away

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Post by kaba0 »

conradev wrote: post #20
izacus wrote: post #13

I'm sure they'll do it since it saves money. I had a horrible time teaching my grandparents to use the gesture navigation on their new iPad (they still hate it, they still get regularly anxious because they can't reliably make the "home" gesture instead of clear feedback of a hardware button and there's many gestures they accidentally trigger which cannot be disabled in A11y or MDM settings) - but they saved money an…

It does save money, but it saves everyone money. Every part that moves is a part that has a fixed lifetime. Replacing the home button was exceedingly common back when it was a button, and people had to either get a new phone or pay to have it fixed when it broke. This was especially the case for the MacBook trackpad before it was made solid-state as well. That was not a cheap component to fix.

Iphone/ipad’s buttons have been static for a long time, they just vibrate imitating a physical touch.
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