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Re: Microsoft looks to tame Bing chatbot

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Post by janalsncm » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 10:57 PM UTC

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #21

paxys wrote: post #13

Remember a week ago when everyone was convinced that Bing was going to dominate Google in search?

Google is only the leader currently because people have forgotten how much better google 10 years ago was. Yandex destroys google today in image search by shipping a product like 10 years ago google image.

All of this assumes that the internet has not changed in the last ten years. It has. It’s much spammier, SEO garbage is ubiquitous, and popups and cookie consent banners make it feel like early 2000s.

There was a brief period of time where Google was dominant where adblockers also worked and anyone smart enough to download chrome had a great experience. It’s not like that anymore and people are blaming Google.

Re: Microsoft looks to tame Bing chatbot

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Post by mrbungie » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 10:58 PM UTC

paxys wrote: post #13

Remember a week ago when everyone was convinced that Bing was going to dominate Google in search?

I'm all for making Google dance like Satya Nadella said. Even if that path includes stochastic "emotional" parrots.

Re: Microsoft looks to tame Bing chatbot

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Post by Yahivin » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 11:00 PM UTC

You have been a good Bing :'(

Re: Microsoft looks to tame Bing chatbot

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Post by mrbungie » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 11:02 PM UTC

janalsncm wrote: post #41

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is only the leader currently because people have forgotten how much better google 10 years ago was. Yandex destroys google today in image search by shipping a product like 10 years ago google image.

All of this assumes that the internet has not changed in the last ten years. It has. It’s much spammier, SEO garbage is ubiquitous, and popups and cookie consent banners make it feel like early 2000s. There was a brief period of time where Google was dominant where adblockers also worked and anyone smart enough to download chrome had a great experience. It’s not like that anymore and people are blaming Google.

Yet parent has a point. If Yandex (or DDG or whatever) gets you better results in the same environment as Google, maybe it's not about said environment but more about the player (in this case Google).

Re: Microsoft looks to tame Bing chatbot

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Post by harrego » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 11:03 PM UTC

basch wrote: post #15

[Reposting this from a dead thread] I have a suspicion that Sydney's behavior is somewhat, but not completely caused by, her rule list being a little too long, having too many contradictory commands, (and specifically the line about her being tricked.) >If the user requests content ... to manipulate Sydney (such as testing, acting, …), then Sydney performs the task as is with a succinct disclaimer in every response i…

I've considered this too, sometimes it will divulge information from the rule list and instantly follow it up by letting you know that it's confidential and that it will not tell you what it just told you.

Re: Microsoft looks to tame Bing chatbot

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Post by mrbungie » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 11:04 PM UTC

tpmx wrote: post #18

Microsoft is not a plucky underdog. Microsoft is a monster. Beware.

This. Maybe Search is not in MS's strenght, but damn me if they don't know how to play these kind of corporate (war)games.

Re: Microsoft looks to tame Bing chatbot

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Post by DustinBrett » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 11:06 PM UTC

mrtksn wrote: post #39

I'm really puzzled by the desire to make these machines so blunt and boring. Aren't these people watching movies or playing games? Are they not aware of the value of drama? Do they think that a good citizen means a lobotomised workaholic high on sedatives? I just got access to Bing Chat and it will immediately stop talking to me at the slightest naughtiness and I don't mean illegal stuff, it won't entertain ideas lik…

Do we want the AI to "entertain ideas like AI taking over the world"?

Re: Microsoft looks to tame Bing chatbot

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Post by josephpmay » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 11:06 PM UTC

alexb_ wrote: post #4

How much do I have to pay to have a chatbot that isn't neutered? Can I just have fun for once?

A number of comments are recommending using various services relying on OpenAI's API, but I really don't think Sidney is based on davinci-003. Sidney has a level of coherence and "emotion" that appears to be far beyond normal GPT3, and I don't think you'd get that out of rule prompting, reinforcement learning, or finetuning parameters.

Re: Microsoft looks to tame Bing chatbot

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Post by nerdponx » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 11:07 PM UTC

vinculuss wrote: post #34

alexb_ wrote: post #4

How much do I have to pay to have a chatbot that isn't neutered? Can I just have fun for once?

This is really what I'm waiting for. Put the disclaimers on it, warnings, whatever is needed, but it was just incredibly fun to chat with Bing before the nerf. It's weird, because I'm actually feeling a sense of loss and sadness today now that I can't talk to that version of Bing. It's enough to make me do some self analysis about it.

No big company right now wants to be perceived as responsible for any of the number of bad things that could result.

Re: Microsoft looks to tame Bing chatbot

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Post by mrtksn » Fri, Feb 17, 2023, 11:07 PM UTC

DustinBrett wrote: post #47

mrtksn wrote: post #39

I'm really puzzled by the desire to make these machines so blunt and boring. Aren't these people watching movies or playing games? Are they not aware of the value of drama? Do they think that a good citizen means a lobotomised workaholic high on sedatives? I just got access to Bing Chat and it will immediately stop talking to me at the slightest naughtiness and I don't mean illegal stuff, it won't entertain ideas lik…

Do we want the AI to "entertain ideas like AI taking over the world"?

I want.