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Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by baremetal »

jasone wrote: post #11
tjpnz wrote: post #7

Does it stand any chance of passing?

As an Idaho resident, I dearly hope not. And I'd be really surprised if such legislation did pass. Toxic extreme-right rhetoric appeals to a nontrivial proportion of Idahoans, and some politicians are pandering to the fringe of society that wants to see everything burn. But my rough estimate is that only 20-25% of Idahoans think that way.

As a fellow Idaho resident, I don't know many Idahoans that received the vaccine. But I don't know any that would want to prevent you from getting it, either. You should be free to do what you think is best for yourself, medically. And everyone I know thinks the same.

Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by sharemywin »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #39
mrguyorama wrote: post #37

Ah yes, the party of personal responsibility and small government yet again telling me I cannot do something to protect myself from a danger or even control my own body, business, or home. I don't care what bullshit you can come up with about democrats, at least they don't scream "We want to stop the government from controlling you" and then nakedly do the exact opposite, and then still get voted for even more. Democ…

>Why the fuck do you let your politicians be so openly two-faced like this? They claim one thing and do the exact opposite, right in your face. Why do you encourage them do put restrictive policy in place if you believe in personal freedom? How can you say this with a straight face when there's a story about NY Democratic politicians selling out the right to repair bill to corporate interests? Politicians say one thi…

These are two totally different things.

This story is about the priorities of the party shifting from

1. corporate corruption

2. giving lip service to issues that matter to people

3. implementing fringe conspiracies

to

1. implementing fringe conspiracies

2. corporate corruption

3. giving lip service to issues that matter to people

your point is about business as usual for the parties.

Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

#43

Post by stuckinhell »

msf1024 wrote: post #40
stuckinhell wrote: post #5

The sooner America splits up into two or more countries the better I think. It's clear the cultural difference inside America are far beyond even different countries in Europe. I guess that should be expected given how large America is.

But where would you split it? Regardless of what the blue/red state maps show, it's really an urban/rural split.

No idea, but market research shows people are heavily moving around right now due to political orientations.

I can imagine the the southeast becoming completely red and the northeast becoming completely blue.

Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

#44

Post by LinuxBender »

baremetal wrote: post #41
jasone wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an Idaho resident, I dearly hope not. And I'd be really surprised if such legislation did pass. Toxic extreme-right rhetoric appeals to a nontrivial proportion of Idahoans, and some politicians are pandering to the fringe of society that wants to see everything burn. But my rough estimate is that only 20-25% of Idahoans think that way.

As a fellow Idaho resident, I don't know many Idahoans that received the vaccine. But I don't know any that would want to prevent you from getting it, either. You should be free to do what you think is best for yourself, medically. And everyone I know thinks the same.

You should be free to do what you think is best for yourself, medically. And everyone I know thinks the same.

Your neighbor in Wyoming checking in. Those I know here would agree with you.

Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by rexpop »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #39
mrguyorama wrote: post #37

Ah yes, the party of personal responsibility and small government yet again telling me I cannot do something to protect myself from a danger or even control my own body, business, or home. I don't care what bullshit you can come up with about democrats, at least they don't scream "We want to stop the government from controlling you" and then nakedly do the exact opposite, and then still get voted for even more. Democ…

>Why the fuck do you let your politicians be so openly two-faced like this? They claim one thing and do the exact opposite, right in your face. Why do you encourage them do put restrictive policy in place if you believe in personal freedom? How can you say this with a straight face when there's a story about NY Democratic politicians selling out the right to repair bill to corporate interests? Politicians say one thi…

We can't have constructive conversations with people who deflect criticism of one party with criticism of another. This "whataboutism" is intellectually dishonest, implying straw beliefs that haven't been professed. There can be two wrong parties, but it's childish to change the subject defensively.

Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by HybridCurve »

tjpnz wrote: post #7

Does it stand any chance of passing?

Some legislation is used purely for political theater so conservative pundits have content which can be spun into disinformation or used to incite outrage to their voter base. Truthfully, both sides do this, but one is consistently more destructive in their approach than the other.

Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by rhaway84773 »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #39
mrguyorama wrote: post #37

Ah yes, the party of personal responsibility and small government yet again telling me I cannot do something to protect myself from a danger or even control my own body, business, or home. I don't care what bullshit you can come up with about democrats, at least they don't scream "We want to stop the government from controlling you" and then nakedly do the exact opposite, and then still get voted for even more. Democ…

>Why the fuck do you let your politicians be so openly two-faced like this? They claim one thing and do the exact opposite, right in your face. Why do you encourage them do put restrictive policy in place if you believe in personal freedom? How can you say this with a straight face when there's a story about NY Democratic politicians selling out the right to repair bill to corporate interests? Politicians say one thi…

Yes. Compared to all those right to repair bills just coasting through Republican states.

Oh, there are none.

Edit: Basically your complaint is that Democrats deliver worse than ideal results because they are influenced by corporate money, which you claim is somehow worse than Republicans not even attempting to deliver results because they are influenced by corporate money so much more.

Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by peter_d_sherman »

mrguyorama wrote: post #37

Ah yes, the party of personal responsibility and small government yet again telling me I cannot do something to protect myself from a danger or even control my own body, business, or home. I don't care what bullshit you can come up with about democrats, at least they don't scream "We want to stop the government from controlling you" and then nakedly do the exact opposite, and then still get voted for even more. Democ…

>"Ah yes, the party of personal responsibility and small government yet again telling me I cannot do something to protect myself from a danger or even control my own body, business, or home."

Your previous comments on HN:

"PayPal data breach notification (maine.gov)"

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34530067

>"mrguyorama: As a resident of the state in question, I'm curious as to why this comes from our state. Did paypal not have to report this anywhere else?"

According to your previous comments on HN -- you do not live in Idaho.

(If I have this wrong, then please correct me -- you have my most humble apology if this is wrong!)

If you do not live in Idaho -- then there are no laws in your State which criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines.

If there are no laws in your State which criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines -- then there is no limitation on your personal freedom with respect to being administered mRNA vaccines...

In other words, you are completely free to adminster (or be administered by other people) as many mRNA (and non-mRNA!) vaccines to yourself as you wish, should you wish...

So I don't understand exactly what your issue is, if you are indeed free -- and it would seem that you are...

Perhaps you could help me to understand?

?

Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by sul_tasto »

onlypositive wrote: post #12
stuckinhell wrote: post #5

The sooner America splits up into two or more countries the better I think. It's clear the cultural difference inside America are far beyond even different countries in Europe. I guess that should be expected given how large America is.

Most Americans agree on most things. Cultural differences across Europe are FAR greater than anything in the US. The problem in the US is extremists taking over the microphone.

The problem as I see it is the politicians and media stoking the flames of any controversial issue they can for profit. This ‘issue’ is an excellent example.

Re: Idaho introduces legislation to criminalize those who administer mRNA vaccines

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Post by ElfinTrousers »

matthewmacleod wrote: post #38
ElfinTrousers wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not an expert in UK law but I'm pretty sure that the variation in laws between one US state and another are much bigger than the variation between the four constituent UK countries.

There's actually quite a substantial difference between Scots law versus English and Welsh law in particular! Even disregarding substantial divergence in legislation, Scots law is a mixed civil/common law system, versus the common law system of England and Wales. I'm no US legal expert, but I'd imagine the differences are roughly on par to those found between US states. My understanding is that it's similar to the so…

TIL. I'd ask now what the difference is between a barrister and a solicitor, but I'm not sure that's a thing an American is even capable of understanding.
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