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Re: GitHub Copilot for Business is now available

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if you want an actual enterprise solution with in-customer-tenant/on-prem hosting, check out Codeium ( https://www.codeium.com/enterprise ) disclaimer: i'm from the Codeium team. but really, we will even ship you a physical box if that level of data security is important to you

Are there plans to support the full Visual Studio IDE?

Edit: Also, Notepad++ support would be awesome

Re: GitHub Copilot for Business is now available

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I’m curious if enterprise customers would have license concerns about the code produced from using this. Have any big companies set policies on employees using these kind of tools? Do they allow them?

One data point for you.

My company (big UK-based tech company) had an “all employees” sort of e-mail saying the use of Copilot, ChatGPT et al was not allowed for anything work-related or using company equipment due to unclear licensing model of the generated code.

I find many of these blanket rules silly, but in this case I find it is sensible to wait before polluting our products with this autogenerated code.

Re: GitHub Copilot for Business is now available

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Sadly, "simple license management" here just refers to "who in your organization has a license to use this tool", rather than "where did this code come from and what license is it under". This tool remains the equivalent of money laundering for violation of Open Source licenses (or software licenses in general).

You make it sound like Copilot is just copy-pasting something from a single repo. The code Copilot generates for me is extremely specific to my application. It understands the context, my code style and what I'm trying to do.

The result looks like my own code and is utilizing the already existing parts of my application. The code it writes for me solves problems that you cannot find a standard solution for anywhere and is definitely not something that could be attributed.

How Copilot is trained is an issue but answering the question "where did this code come from and what license is it under" would be impossible.

Re: GitHub Copilot for Business is now available

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post #7

if you want an actual enterprise solution with in-customer-tenant/on-prem hosting, check out Codeium ( https://www.codeium.com/enterprise ) disclaimer: i'm from the Codeium team. but really, we will even ship you a physical box if that level of data security is important to you

I tried using the playground code completion to ask it to write a script for pyautocad that colors in a grid, it completed with a different library, pyautogui. Even after saying "import pyautocad" myself, the function it completed was pyautogui.

I'm sure it's prob still very useful for people who care about the privacy tradeoff, but I've had more success with ChatGPT

Re: GitHub Copilot for Business is now available

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Will Github indemnify users against potential copyright lawsuits related to the code it regurgitates?

It doesn't regurgitate any code unless you bait it really hard. That's not how you use it. The only code it normally regurgitates is your own when it tries to autocomplete your boilerplate.

Re: GitHub Copilot for Business is now available

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post #7

if you want an actual enterprise solution with in-customer-tenant/on-prem hosting, check out Codeium ( https://www.codeium.com/enterprise ) disclaimer: i'm from the Codeium team. but really, we will even ship you a physical box if that level of data security is important to you

I tried using the playground code completion to ask it to write a script for pyautocad that colors in a grid, it completed with a different library, pyautogui. Even after saying "import pyautocad" myself, the function it completed was pyautogui. I'm sure it's prob still very useful for people who care about the privacy tradeoff, but I've had more success with ChatGPT

Thanks for the feedback! Yeah the playground is a bit limited as it is for demo purposes.

We are fans of ChatGPT and think that ChatGPT is pretty complementary to tools like Copilot and Codeium. ChatGPT is helpful for longer form exploratory questions from natural language while Codeium in its current form is great to accelerate your coding.

Re: GitHub Copilot for Business is now available

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post #7

if you want an actual enterprise solution with in-customer-tenant/on-prem hosting, check out Codeium ( https://www.codeium.com/enterprise ) disclaimer: i'm from the Codeium team. but really, we will even ship you a physical box if that level of data security is important to you

Are there plans to support the full Visual Studio IDE? Edit: Also, Notepad++ support would be awesome

VS is on the roadmap, Notepad++ isn't something currently on the roadmap, but we'd be totally open if someone wants to write an open source plugin for it, just like we did for Vim/Neovim (https://github.com/Exafunction/codeium.vim) and are planning on doing with Emacs!

Re: GitHub Copilot for Business is now available

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Sadly, "simple license management" here just refers to "who in your organization has a license to use this tool", rather than "where did this code come from and what license is it under". This tool remains the equivalent of money laundering for violation of Open Source licenses (or software licenses in general).

It's an unpopular opinion which is why I'll cowardly write it under a throwaway account. Josh, I have a ton of respect for your work just btw. I can't help but see a headline like this and think "Okay the license argument has to be the top comment already".

To me this whole thing is like pandora's box and it will not in any way be put back into the box. In the long run isn't arguing about the code it generates and how it generates it mostly tilting at windmills? I've already met new / junior programmers that have used copilot and chatgpt to help them see how to approach certain problems or try to get better framing for what they couldn't quite get into the most accurate words to google.

I too would prefer these tools embody the ideal: no license violation, perfect citation of where the archetypes of the code came from. I've commented here today (amongst some great FOSS software engineers) to see if a genuine respectful conversation can be had about how just like torrents this one isn't going to be put back in the box no matter how many legal precedents attempt (or succeed) in cutting off heads of the hydra. It's utility seems like it will steamroll any attempts to stop or slow it down.

Am I wrong? Is it a fools errand to ask?

Re: GitHub Copilot for Business is now available

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Is Copilot HIPAA compliant? It sends data to the cloud, so if you paste PHI…

Not an answer to your overall question of compliance, but to the specific point: > Copilot for Business does not retain any telemetry or Code Snippets Data. https://docs.github.com/en/copilot/configuring-github-copilo...

The key word being "retain".

It's probably still sent to their servers.

Re: GitHub Copilot for Business is now available

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Only use Apache v2, MIT or BSD licensed Even if you use code under these license, you are still supposed to credit the authors by reproducing the license. So you need to know where it came from. Do you credit all the software the model was trained on?

> Do you credit all the software the model was trained on. That's a brilliant idea everyone can just copy and past the exact same attribution file and be done with it.

"Just" copy paste a multi GB file with endless lines of authors? Brilliant? I might be missing something here.
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