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Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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I explained to my sister that this was "Bhopal[1]" level bad and she didn't believe me because "If it was that bad the news would be covering it." Sigh. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster

How is it Bhopal-level bad, exactly? An estimated 15,000 to 20,000 deaths occurred in Bhopal. How many have died in Ohio so far?

Not saying it's not tragic, or that it's not outrageous, but reckless exaggeration doesn't help.

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post #18

This isn't too far from me. Curious to hear thoughts from folks with deeper backgrounds in chemistry than I have (high school).

The two "helpful" byproducts of vinyl chloride burning like that is HF and phosgene. The wind is going to spread those rapidly.

HF? Vinyl chloride does not contain fluorine. It would be HCl instead, which is a naturally occurring mineral acid. The acid rain is going to be a disaster in the short term, but it's not that bad. Phosgene is fairly toxic when inhaled from at a significant concentration, but also dissipates and doesn't stay that long in the atmosphere.

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post #20

Frankly getting tired of hearing about how I haven't heard about it, and nobody wants me to hear about it. If you want to write about news, write about it. If you want to point out instances of news media not covering this story where they might have covered other stories go for it, cite instances. All I've been convinced of so far is some people have an axe to grind, and part of their narrative is how the media or t…

Then maybe this isn't about you, specifically? How are the mainstream media dealing with it?

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Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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This isn't too far from me. Curious to hear thoughts from folks with deeper backgrounds in chemistry than I have (high school).

I’d like to hear what the actual consequences of these leaks and subsequent combustion are without the alarmism (which, even if warranted, doesn’t need to be in every actual explanation of what’s going on!)

Right now, I see the EPA saying ‘it’s okay to return to the area’ (not ‘everything is fine’), and alarmist commentators listing chemical names and saying ‘this is bad’ and ‘Bhopal’ with no actual explanation of the mechanisms of ‘bad’.

I don’t know what the truth is. I’d _like_ to be able to believe the EPA rather than random internet commentators.

Re: Ohio train derailment: environmental disaster quietly unfolding

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I explained to my sister that this was "Bhopal[1]" level bad and she didn't believe me because "If it was that bad the news would be covering it." Sigh. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhopal_disaster

Bhopal was probably an order of magnitude 'worse' than this.

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I've heard about this, but it is surprising how little coverage it gets compared to other things. If you were to tally up how much airtime each news story gets, plotted against the general tone of the coverage, you'd probably come up with something resembling the news room agenda (you'd also have to weigh it against other stories developing at around the same time). I have to wonder why a story of environmental disas…

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Probably because it happened to a village of 200 people in the relative middle of nowhere. Remember the Flint water crisis? That was a population-dense city, with multiple school districts all being poisoned by lead and legionnaires disease. Nobody cared about it until it was turned into a political negligence story, then it was all you could see on Fox and CNN... People just don't really care about this stuff. It's…

It's 2,000 people in the town itself and 20,000 within a 10 mile radius.

We're quite lucky this did not happen in Pittsburgh or Columbus.

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I am intrigued by your outrage (seriously). I'm curious to know what you are hoping the world's media will accomplish there? On the one hand train derailment, chemical fire, environmental damage - it makes for a story but really not a terribly interesting one (to me). It's certainly an unwelcome event, but there doesn't seem to be anything deeper than what you see on the surface. Is there a deeper story here? Is ther…

The TL;DR of the ongoing story is the train engineers tried to strike recently over these kinds of issues and our Congress stopped them from doing so.

Now it’s an massive disaster that we were warned was coming and the basic measures to fix it(like hiring more engineers and letting them have sick days) won’t happen in a sane way.

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I am intrigued by your outrage (seriously). I'm curious to know what you are hoping the world's media will accomplish there? On the one hand train derailment, chemical fire, environmental damage - it makes for a story but really not a terribly interesting one (to me). It's certainly an unwelcome event, but there doesn't seem to be anything deeper than what you see on the surface. Is there a deeper story here? Is ther…

A few questions:

1) Do you think that a town getting poisoned is not "special"?

2) Do you think that the 5000 people that lived on said town are out of life-threatening danger?

3) Do you think it's only said town and said 5000 people that are threatened by this?

4) Don't you think that working conditions need to be regulated in order to be safe?

5) Don't you think that this disaster could help us prevent other ones?

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