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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#41

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Changing jobs over video conferencing software would be extreme.

You'd think but if where I work ever mandated I had to stop using Linux I'd start looking elsewhere. I have to spend 8 hours a day using a tool and I get frustrated with suboptimal tools, why subject myself to that on top of everything else I have to do.

Now, I could be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure an operating system and conferencing software are two different things.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#42
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That’s plenty of time to dust off the resume and start pounding the pavement! Very generous of Microsoft to give so much notice! Edit: for those who may think I’m overreacting to a small change in tooling, I offer this classic essay [1]. It explains the reasoning behind leaving much better than I could! [1] https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear...

Changing jobs over video conferencing software would be extreme.

I've known several people not take a job because of Teams....

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#43

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How might they do that given that Microsoft now owns all of the IP and GitHub is mostly closed source? It seems like a very different situation than the liberally open source MySQL.

Same way Gitlab and countless other services are built on top of Git, which is definitely not owned by MS :)

In my dream future, libgit2 is the official implementation of Git, taking most of the pain out of trying to create a Github-like service (among other things).

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#44
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That’s plenty of time to dust off the resume and start pounding the pavement! Very generous of Microsoft to give so much notice! Edit: for those who may think I’m overreacting to a small change in tooling, I offer this classic essay [1]. It explains the reasoning behind leaving much better than I could! [1] https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear...

Changing jobs over video conferencing software would be extreme.

Alternatively, tell such an employer you require a company issued phone with Teams on it.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#46
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Somewhat ironic that a company that’s entire existence was based on the idea of giving developers great tools no longer values giving its own developers great tools. Only a matter of time before this new attitude towards developers shows up in the product.

Not that I disagree with the sentiment. But one could look at this an an opportunity to try and improve Teams. Sucks a bit short term for the people who have to use it, but if they can capture feedback (from a captive user group paid for their time) and improve it, everybody wins. I think is would be worse if they just kept polishing a turd in an ivory tower (so to speak) and let their employees use something else

And here's me thinking that turd polishing was not location dependent.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Changing jobs over video conferencing software would be extreme.

You'd think but if where I work ever mandated I had to stop using Linux I'd start looking elsewhere. I have to spend 8 hours a day using a tool and I get frustrated with suboptimal tools, why subject myself to that on top of everything else I have to do.

For what it's worth, Teams is also available as a .deb/.rpm, which is I'd say unique for something with Microsoft in its name.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#48

Next you must use office 365 for all documents and we will be moving to Sharepoint.

...does GitHub not use Office 365 for documents? Seems silly to pay for a $12 or whatever per user GSuite license just for Drive and Docs when the rest of the company uses Office and its approximately free (or very cheap) since they work for MS.

(Note: I know they have cheaper tiers of GSuite, I'm guessing with whatever security stuff MS infosec wants they'd have to go to a higher tier.)

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#49
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That’s plenty of time to dust off the resume and start pounding the pavement! Very generous of Microsoft to give so much notice! Edit: for those who may think I’m overreacting to a small change in tooling, I offer this classic essay [1]. It explains the reasoning behind leaving much better than I could! [1] https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear...

I would be really surprised if more than 1 out of 1000 employees does that in real life just because of a change in the corporate tools.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#50
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Somewhat ironic that a company that’s entire existence was based on the idea of giving developers great tools no longer values giving its own developers great tools. Only a matter of time before this new attitude towards developers shows up in the product.

That's overtly harsh take I think. Teams has issues; but asking employees of a company to use said companies tools internally isn't necessarily a bad thing. Hard to improve without dogfooding.
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