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MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by alwayslikethis »

pnw wrote: post #20
andrewstuart wrote: post #3

Remember this is Australia - a very conservative country. Marijuana possession remains a criminal offence here in most places, with minimal sign this will change any time soon. When they say "for medical usage", they mean it. This is not just a nice acceptable easing in of liberal recreational drugs policy. Don't expect to be buying party drugs from the chemist before going out on saturday night. Despite the fact tha…

I would peg Australia more as an authoritarian liberal country rather than conservative. Most states in the US are far more conservative than Australia. Australia IMHO has never broken out of the colonial mindset, where the government knows what is best for you. Beyond drugs, that includes pervasive censorship of movies, books, video games, Internet etc. The lack of First and Fourth amendment style protections means…

I think the word you might be looking for is "paternalistic". I think Australia is among the most authoritarian of the 'Western' countries, with little checks and balances on investigative power or protections for free speech, among other civil rights.

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by digdugdirk »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #38
MonkeyMalarky wrote: post #33

I'd be a pretty happy camper if I could pick up a decent dose of MDMA, Ket or LSD at a store when I occasionally feel like it. It's been years since I've had any and after moving to a new city, starting a family and "growing out of it", I feel like like I could use a good trip.

On the one hand, that sounds reasonable. On the other hand - I'm not exactly thrilled with the way people use the current that's already easily available at stores.

I'd far prefer people overusing psychedelics than the current trend of overusing alcohol, painkillers, sleeping pills, etc.

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by kkielhofner »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #38
MonkeyMalarky wrote: post #33

I'd be a pretty happy camper if I could pick up a decent dose of MDMA, Ket or LSD at a store when I occasionally feel like it. It's been years since I've had any and after moving to a new city, starting a family and "growing out of it", I feel like like I could use a good trip.

On the one hand, that sounds reasonable. On the other hand - I'm not exactly thrilled with the way people use the current that's already easily available at stores.

This. I have no judgement and plenty of my own demons (alcohol). That said, the swing in my lifetime on marijuana legalization (as one example) is telling.

From “smoke the devil’s lettuce and put your baby in the microwave” to “it’s natural, there are no negatives whatsoever” is very troubling. There is no free lunch and there absolutely are negative effects with all of these substances. Of course alcohol is the reigning champ for damage to society but marijuana, etc is creeping in with much less dramatic fashion.

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by tayo42 »

kkielhofner wrote: post #43
LAC-Tech wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the one hand, that sounds reasonable. On the other hand - I'm not exactly thrilled with the way people use the current that's already easily available at stores.

This. I have no judgement and plenty of my own demons (alcohol). That said, the swing in my lifetime on marijuana legalization (as one example) is telling. From “smoke the devil’s lettuce and put your baby in the microwave” to “it’s natural, there are no negatives whatsoever” is very troubling. There is no free lunch and there absolutely are negative effects with all of these substances. Of course alcohol is the reig…

In what way is that happening?

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by bobthepanda »

Atsuii wrote: post #35
robbiep wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weed is now extensively available through e prescribing just about everywhere

It remains criminal to have any THC in your system when driving even with a prescription though. With no meaningful way to test if someone has consumed THC in the past 5 hours vs the night before it makes it a useless medical aid for anyone who has to drive, which outside of inner suburbs of Melbourne & Sydney is the vast majority of people in Australia.

DUI for THC is criminal in the legalized parts of the US too, and you also need to drive everywhere in the United States, so that's hardly insane.

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by kredd »

kkielhofner wrote: post #43
LAC-Tech wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the one hand, that sounds reasonable. On the other hand - I'm not exactly thrilled with the way people use the current that's already easily available at stores.

This. I have no judgement and plenty of my own demons (alcohol). That said, the swing in my lifetime on marijuana legalization (as one example) is telling. From “smoke the devil’s lettuce and put your baby in the microwave” to “it’s natural, there are no negatives whatsoever” is very troubling. There is no free lunch and there absolutely are negative effects with all of these substances. Of course alcohol is the reig…

In Canada, everything seems to be fine despite it being legal for a few year now? People who smoked up, still smoke, people who didn’t still don’t. Really depends on culture and how things are being legalized, obviously. I don’t think any reasonable person says it has no negatives, but it’s just being treated as alcohol.

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by tayo42 »

neom wrote: post #24
Traubenfuchs wrote: post #6

I have had the happiest moments of my life on MDMA. Everyone should have experienced it at least once. Let me put it another way: No matter how happy you have ever been, on MDMA you can be happier. Somewhere between 3 and 100 times as happy. You gain perspective. Now, with experience, I would only ever use it with purpose. Dating someone seriously? Have a night on MDMA and you will experience love beyond comprehensio…

Regarding your last sentence, if you want to go one step up from that, 2C-B is like MDMA x200 for a "night of fun with someone you love". It's beyond anything I've ever experienced before by a long shot, highly recommend.

2cb made me feel like was having a heart attack for 2 hours and my gf threw up. No where as fun as mdma is

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by kkielhofner »

digdugdirk wrote: post #42
LAC-Tech wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the one hand, that sounds reasonable. On the other hand - I'm not exactly thrilled with the way people use the current that's already easily available at stores.

I'd far prefer people overusing psychedelics than the current trend of overusing alcohol, painkillers, sleeping pills, etc.

It’s still a little fresh but I called 911 on my Lyft driver last night. He had a woman (who I later learned was homeless) in the passenger seat slumped over, struggling to breathe, and very clearly in some kind of opioid overdose.

A sargeant from the police department eventually called me back from his cellphone to tell me they caught up with the driver and reversed her.

It was traumatic and all things being equal I’m with you - alcohol, opioids, benzodiazepines, etc do a lot of damage.

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by ghiculescu »

pnw wrote: post #20
andrewstuart wrote: post #3

Remember this is Australia - a very conservative country. Marijuana possession remains a criminal offence here in most places, with minimal sign this will change any time soon. When they say "for medical usage", they mean it. This is not just a nice acceptable easing in of liberal recreational drugs policy. Don't expect to be buying party drugs from the chemist before going out on saturday night. Despite the fact tha…

I would peg Australia more as an authoritarian liberal country rather than conservative. Most states in the US are far more conservative than Australia. Australia IMHO has never broken out of the colonial mindset, where the government knows what is best for you. Beyond drugs, that includes pervasive censorship of movies, books, video games, Internet etc. The lack of First and Fourth amendment style protections means…

I think the political parties don’t change the status quo because as you note, most Australians share this mindset.

It was very revealing from overseas looking in during Covid, where there was (proverbial) dancing on the graves of expats locked out of the country for 2+ years. Should have come home when the big boss in Canberra said to, mate!

Re: MDMA and psilocybin are approved as medicines in Australia

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Post by neom »

tayo42 wrote: post #47
neom wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regarding your last sentence, if you want to go one step up from that, 2C-B is like MDMA x200 for a "night of fun with someone you love". It's beyond anything I've ever experienced before by a long shot, highly recommend.

2cb made me feel like was having a heart attack for 2 hours and my gf threw up. No where as fun as mdma is

Damn that's crazy, I've taken it probably 20/30 times and never had an issue, and taken it with groups of 5 or so folks and never seen that issue, not doubting you at all, just never heard of that reaction. Powder or pill? Are you sure it was good?
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