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The search for extraterrestrial life as we don’t know it

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Re: The search for extraterrestrial life as we don’t know it

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Question for people up to date with modern biochemistry: if there were extraterrestrial microbes on Earth right now, with totally unique chemical origins unrelated to proteins, nucleic acids, saccharides, etc., how likely would we be to notice them? And which analytic method would find them first? Is there a systemic search for this kind of crazy stuff, and where are the review papers for them? I don't know the keywo…

We didn't even know about Megaviruses[0] until 2010.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megavirus

Re: The search for extraterrestrial life as we don’t know it

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For those who don't know, there's a very significant movement happening within factions of the US government to push disclosure on potential non-human intelligence visiting earth. This 15 minute guide is worth the read https://www.uap.guide Other significant efforts searching for alien life include the Galileo Project by Dr. Avi Loeb of Harvard https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/galileo/home Edit: For those who don't kn…

> there's a very significant movement happening within factions of the US government to push disclosure on potential non-human intelligence visiting earth. Pushing for disclosure is very different than there being anything to disclose. Get back to me when they actually disclose anything worthy of being attributed to non-human intelligence.

In case you're not aware, the 2022 NDAA includes legislation to provide people whistleblower protection to disclose unacknowledged black projects regarding reverse engineering programs to congress. This legislation comes directly from Christopher Mellon and Lue Elizondo's work behind the scenes of getting whistleblowers to testify to the congressional intelligence committees. https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/uap-related-provisions-of-th...

Re: The search for extraterrestrial life as we don’t know it

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I'm not sure what the point of this is. In the last 60+ years we've obviously learned a lot and widened our definition of where life on Earth can live (eg subsea volcanic vents, in rocks in Antarctica). We obviously don't know the limits of biochemistry and thus in what environments life can evolve and where it can continue to live where it exists. We're certainly not going to be detecting a world full of microbes fr…

I think we're quickly moving towards living in a sort of poor man's Dyson sphere. More and more of our communications are being enclosed in optical fibers that leak virtually no radiation. Our free space comms are increasingly designed to operate on diminishing amounts of power, and to be practically indistinguishable from noise. We may be a dark planet by a couple centuries from the invention of radio.

Chemical changes to our atmosphere might be detectable from afar.

Re: The search for extraterrestrial life as we don’t know it

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For those who don't know, there's a very significant movement happening within factions of the US government to push disclosure on potential non-human intelligence visiting earth. This 15 minute guide is worth the read https://www.uap.guide Other significant efforts searching for alien life include the Galileo Project by Dr. Avi Loeb of Harvard https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/galileo/home Edit: For those who don't kn…

There is zero consensus that there is a "non-human intelligence visiting Earth". There is, one could argue, a phenomenon of some kind, either real or imagined, but nobody seems to know what it is. And yes, I’m familiar with the subject, and I’ve been following it for decades. Also, I think "disclosure" is somewhat of a misnomer. If people don’t know what it is, there’s nothing to disclose. People have been beating th…

There's zero consensus, but there's enough evidence that congress decided to include some interesting legislation in the latest NDAA https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/uap-related-provisions-of-th...

Re: The search for extraterrestrial life as we don’t know it

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For those who don't know, there's a very significant movement happening within factions of the US government to push disclosure on potential non-human intelligence visiting earth. This 15 minute guide is worth the read https://www.uap.guide Other significant efforts searching for alien life include the Galileo Project by Dr. Avi Loeb of Harvard https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/galileo/home Edit: For those who don't kn…

Disclosure == Rapture for the #ufotwitter crowd. It's basically a religious cult.

There are significant people involved with this.

Former Deputy Secretary of Defense for Intelligence Christopher Mellon.

Dr. Avi Loebb - Astrophysicist at Harvard.

Dr. Gary Nolan - Pathologist at Stanford

Re: The search for extraterrestrial life as we don’t know it

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I'm not sure what the point of this is. In the last 60+ years we've obviously learned a lot and widened our definition of where life on Earth can live (eg subsea volcanic vents, in rocks in Antarctica). We obviously don't know the limits of biochemistry and thus in what environments life can evolve and where it can continue to live where it exists. We're certainly not going to be detecting a world full of microbes fr…

That "We're certainly not going to be detecting a world full of microbes from light years away" is debatable.

Changes that are not geological, like Earth's great oxygenation event could be vivid enough to be detectable among exoplanets.

Re: The search for extraterrestrial life as we don’t know it

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The issue of "if you lose your keys at night, the first place you look is under the lamppost" problem with searching for alien life has bothered me too, since I was about the age of this professor's trip to Hawaii. But unlike her my musing never resulted in anything useful. I'm so glad someone is thinking about this and that that person sounds like a broad thinker!

Alternatives to the biochemistry of Earth life are hard to imagine. Silicon replacing carbon is one possibility but, as yet, despite silicon being vastly more common than carbon, we know there is no silicon life on Earth. It's just at too much of an inherent disadvantage, if it is even possible. I would bet on panspermia over silicon life.

Re: The search for extraterrestrial life as we don’t know it

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is zero consensus that there is a "non-human intelligence visiting Earth". There is, one could argue, a phenomenon of some kind, either real or imagined, but nobody seems to know what it is. And yes, I’m familiar with the subject, and I’ve been following it for decades. Also, I think "disclosure" is somewhat of a misnomer. If people don’t know what it is, there’s nothing to disclose. People have been beating th…

There's zero consensus, but there's enough evidence that congress decided to include some interesting legislation in the latest NDAA https://douglasjohnson.ghost.io/uap-related-provisions-of-th...

The "interesting legislation" is more likely to find Cold War-style fuckery of the sort that led to the "red mercury" hoax and other intentional misdirection, and the amplification of conspiracy theories by adversaries than it is to find aliens.

Re: The search for extraterrestrial life as we don’t know it

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For those who don't know, there's a very significant movement happening within factions of the US government to push disclosure on potential non-human intelligence visiting earth. This 15 minute guide is worth the read https://www.uap.guide Other significant efforts searching for alien life include the Galileo Project by Dr. Avi Loeb of Harvard https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/galileo/home Edit: For those who don't kn…

There is zero consensus that there is a "non-human intelligence visiting Earth". There is, one could argue, a phenomenon of some kind, either real or imagined, but nobody seems to know what it is. And yes, I’m familiar with the subject, and I’ve been following it for decades. Also, I think "disclosure" is somewhat of a misnomer. If people don’t know what it is, there’s nothing to disclose. People have been beating th…

"Consider the great fifteenth century philosopher, theologian and cardinal Nicholas of Cusa. He suggested that the universe is infinitely large and has no center and that all bodies in the universe, including both the earth and the sun, are in motion in infinite space. He also theorized favorably about the existence of intelligent life on other planets, which he thought was probable due to God’s creativity,

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Re: The search for extraterrestrial life as we don’t know it

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A hallucinogen is like a telescope. Many users of hallucinogens report meeting "machine elves". Maybe we should be looking there.

no, common hallucinogenic tropes are just remnants of our evolved collective unconscious; not any proto-communications from other dimensions. i am plenty familiar with them and other characters, and their lessons always seemed terrestrial, subconsciously familiar.

"No", eh?

Well I've talked to them a bit too and I think there's somebody there.

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