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Re: Elementary OS 7

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At this point in my life I'm just not willing to look at a desktop environment besides macOS and Windows unless it is completely different . Is there anything out there that is trying radical new concepts and not just trying to emulate macOS/Windows/Gnome/KDE et al?

I noticed in one of your comments in this thread that you are looking for new ideas for UI. As other commenters have said, you might be interested in tiling window managers like i3 [0] or sway [1]. They really are a gem for productivity and sometimes for the eye [2].

However, I love the concept of a scrollable window manager like PaperWM [3]. When I had a smaller screen (24" 16:9) I complained a lot about the unused space on my screen. With PaperWM I was finally happy with its dimensions, because I could have a huge IDE on the left and a small part of terminal on the right. This way I could see if something was being printed to the terminal, while my editor took up 80% of the screen.

[0]: https://i3wm.org/

[1]: https://swaywm.org/

[2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/

[3]: https://github.com/paperwm/PaperWM

Re: Elementary OS 7

#42

I fully believe that Elementary survives only because 99% of those purported 400,000 downloads are really just YouTubers racing each other to apply some anime wallpaper and show it off on YouTube. I firmly believe that Elementary OS has no utility over Arch/Fedora/Ubuntu and that any income they receive from donors is money ill-spent.

I like some of the built-in apps they have. They're nicely done and they're fast, I just wish regular Ubuntu would of adopted them into their ecosystem officially. I have no sane way to pull them into POP OS which I prefer for the OOTB experience I have.

Re: Elementary OS 7

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rather than macOS, as a long time Mac user I actually find GNOME most similar to iPadOS. It's almost exactly what one would get if they were asked to turn iPadOS into a desktop OS.

Which part is similar?

Speaking for myself here:

- No AppIndicators in default spec

- All UI is scaled to work for touch interfaces

- Default windowing support amounts to split-screen

- App "icon" style launcher, even using the same sliding-widget model people loathe on iPad

- Quick-settings menu pane in the top corner, almost identical to the iOS/iPad one in GNOME 40

I could go on, but I think it's safe to say that GNOME (especially GNOME 40) is derivative of iPad UI design. Other visual cues (dock, lockscreen, stylesheet, calendar, etc.) are pretty plainly inspired by the Mac UI.

Re: Elementary OS 7

#44

I fully believe that Elementary survives only because 99% of those purported 400,000 downloads are really just YouTubers racing each other to apply some anime wallpaper and show it off on YouTube. I firmly believe that Elementary OS has no utility over Arch/Fedora/Ubuntu and that any income they receive from donors is money ill-spent.

Aesthetics by default matter a ton. I'm on Linux Mint basically completely because I like the Cinnamon DE. Elementary looks great.

Re: Elementary OS 7

#45

I don't agree with all of the design choices in Elementary OS, but I appreciate the sense of craft it has that largely vanished from mainstream software from 2012-2014 onward in favor of a dollar store version of IKEA minimalism. I hope it can continue to carry that torch until the industry finds its way back.

Perhaps you are thinking of Skewomorphism as opposed to Flat design?

That is maybe a facet of the change, but there's more to it.

It's also a certain attention to detail with regard to things like use of whitespace, the layout and flow of widgets, the types of widgets used, and user experience in general. These things have become increasingly phoned-in, with little thought applied; just dump it all into a grid and apply copious padding and you're done. Things that don't fit get removed or buried in dialog tunnels and there is no effort to make anything clear to the user.

There have been flat designs in the past that don't suffer these issues, like the earlier designs of Mac OS (System 1.0-7.5), which worked fine on 1-bit and grayscale displays but had a lot of thought and research put into their user experience.

This all got thrown out in the transition to flat design. Not only was skeumorphism discarded, but so was care for UI/UX in general. The baby was thrown out with the bathwater.

Re: Elementary OS 7

#46
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to add even more of a wishlist, but in addition to moving towards a Wayland environment, it would be nice to see an immutable root as well. SteamOS on deck has sold me on this concept; as long as there's plenty of escape hatches and the ability to disable it, I view it as a plus, and no doubt it makes updates excellent. These two features would make Elementary OS the very obvious recommendation for anyone curi…

As a NixOS user I'll generally agree, as long as there are still options for people who want to use Pantheon on a more traditional OS. Immutable roots are cool, but feel like a novelty when so much software breaks under it. Great to have as an option for sure though. > Hopefully by the time it is, NVIDIA's driver will have better stability with Wayland compositors. I think Nvidia's support is pretty much complete. Pl…

We still have to contend with the implicit sync issues when dealing with NVIDIA drivers; there has been work to untangle the mess there, but it's not done yet to my knowledge.

Context: https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/blog/2022/06/09/brid...

Edit: also a NixOS user, BUT: I am suggesting something more like SteamOS with ABRoot. It's not exactly a solved problem, but I think that future solutions should be focused on not needing to modify the root to deal with things like drivers and system configuration.

Re: Elementary OS 7

#47

I don't agree with all of the design choices in Elementary OS, but I appreciate the sense of craft it has that largely vanished from mainstream software from 2012-2014 onward in favor of a dollar store version of IKEA minimalism. I hope it can continue to carry that torch until the industry finds its way back.

Elementary OS is the pinnacle of a nice-looking OS with questionable technical decisions under-the-hood. The biggest one? No upgrades. You literally can't go from 5 to 6, or 6 to 7, without a full reinstall. There's not a terminal command for the adventurous either.

That, to me, is extremely nasty. You have to take everything out of your computer, and put it back, every year to get the latest features and make sure you are secure? That's so bad, it feels like false marketing to call it "Elementary OS." You might as well download a random customized Windows ISO from the internet and disable Windows Update forever. At least Microsoft Edge would still get updates for years but Elementary OS's browser won't for very long. Unless, of course, you enjoy taking personal responsibility for updating every PC of those non-technical folks you recommend it to or install it for. I'd happily install it for quite a few relatives who would otherwise use Chromebooks, but that's a big showstopper.

I can read about how they've improved the Music app or made the App Center better for developers all day, but they have this massive hole in the ship that makes it fundamentally unsuitable for the intended purpose and they still haven't fixed it after 7 versions. Elementary users don't find pleasure in reinstalling their OS on weekends.

Re: Elementary OS 7

#48
post #2

At this point in my life I'm just not willing to look at a desktop environment besides macOS and Windows unless it is completely different . Is there anything out there that is trying radical new concepts and not just trying to emulate macOS/Windows/Gnome/KDE et al?

Regolith (which is Ubuntu + i3 + very sane default settings)

https://regolith-desktop.com/

(can’t live with a MacOS anymore)

Re: Elementary OS 7

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rather than macOS, as a long time Mac user I actually find GNOME most similar to iPadOS. It's almost exactly what one would get if they were asked to turn iPadOS into a desktop OS.

Which part is similar?

Note that I'm talking about the stock experience (no extensions or even gnome-tweak-tool).

- Top bar which acts as a status bar rather than a global menubar

- Somewhat modal UX that works best with keeping 1-3 windows on screen at all times

- No way to minimize windows

- Inclination towards gestures over keystrokes

- Simplified mobile-esque app UIs that eschew menubars entirely in favor of hamburger menus

- Greatly reduced levels of configurability relative to other DEs

- Heavily padded widgets that seem better suited to touch than KB+M

- Use of touch-inspired designs like switches over checkboxes

- No traditional desktop

…among others.

Don't get me wrong, it's very polished which is what leads me to use it, but it's not really a traditional desktop environment.

Re: Elementary OS 7

#50

I don't agree with all of the design choices in Elementary OS, but I appreciate the sense of craft it has that largely vanished from mainstream software from 2012-2014 onward in favor of a dollar store version of IKEA minimalism. I hope it can continue to carry that torch until the industry finds its way back.

I'm definitely going to steal that phrase – that cheap perfumed / polymer smell – it's indeed about time we get rid of it!
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