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Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by AlexandrB »

spamuel wrote: post #37
AlexandrB wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love how ~10 years ago, the left was frequently accused of having a victim mentality. Seems like the right enjoys believing they're perpetual victims these days.

You're casting the desire for public schools to not make available a book with illustrations of two children engaged in anal sex with a dildo as "Republicans playing the victim".

You've alluded to this policy several times. I'm curious where specifically someone was handing out books about anal sex to small children. Was this a single incident? Was this going to be mandatory reading? Any articles that provide some specifics on this?

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by spamuel »

AlexandrB wrote: post #36
spamuel wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Showing pornography to children? Presumably all states. Oh, you meant on sexual dimorphism and crime statistics? None. It's not even clear that Florida now criminalizes those discussions. But you would certainly be fired in California if you dared to biologically define human beings, or discuss incarceration rates as a product of criminal tendency.

And criminal tendency is just innate? Or is it also caused by socio-economic and historical factors? Just because you want to stop asking "why" at "criminal tendency", doesn't mean the rest of us aren't curious.

Do I?

I have no idea if criminal tendency is innate. And frankly I think such a discussion has no place in K-12 education, even if it were just a plain fact that black people were somehow inherently predisposed to criminality. They're Americans, they're part of our mix.

But 12 year olds do not have the reasoning capacity to handle that issue. It's not "age-appropriate" for 12 year olds to be introduced to such topics in elementary school. Just like gender theory.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by 8note »

spamuel wrote: post #14
damagednoob wrote: post #7

People are so short sighted when it comes to imposing these types of laws. Sure, they get what they want so long as their side is in power. What happens when the Republicans get voted out? Would they be okay with the Democrats having these tools at their disposal?

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The race one seems pretty obvious though? It's just compounding interest and that's been taught forever, and as part of math classes on exponents

It's not an extreme ideology to realize that the people who bought houses during redlining are much much wealthier now as a result. Hell, if most of most Americans wealth is owning their house, redlining is gonna be the most influential thing to wealth inequality between people of different races today

The entities at fault - governments and banks are still around, so it's not generation. The effects are, but the guilt remains with the entities that did the bad things

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by chmod600 »

While concerning, I think I'd need to know more before I go into outrage mode.

This seems to be about grades 3 and lower. What kind of materials would really be both (a) prosecutable under this statute and (b) not reasonably a crime to present to 7 year olds?

My guess is teachers are worried about "two dads/moms" kind of kids books or something? Is it realistic that such things would be prosecuted as felonies?

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by xibo9 »

spamuel wrote: post #37
AlexandrB wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love how ~10 years ago, the left was frequently accused of having a victim mentality. Seems like the right enjoys believing they're perpetual victims these days.

You're casting the desire for public schools to not make available a book with illustrations of two children engaged in anal sex with a dildo as "Republicans playing the victim".

I'm sorry, this is simply egregious. Please provide any evidence at all of your disgusting claims.

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by spamuel »

AlexandrB wrote: post #41
spamuel wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're casting the desire for public schools to not make available a book with illustrations of two children engaged in anal sex with a dildo as "Republicans playing the victim".

You've alluded to this policy several times. I'm curious where specifically someone was handing out books about anal sex to small children. Was this a single incident? Was this going to be mandatory reading? Any articles that provide some specifics on this?

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Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by xibo9 »

spamuel wrote: post #23
klyrs wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a book only featuring white people isn't racist, then a book only featuring black people isn't racist. If a book ending with a prince living happily ever after with a princess isn't about sex, then a book ending with two princes living happily ever after isn't about sex. However, these are not the standards that Florida is applying.

The rule says books that are pornographic. This became an issue because teachers began putting books like "Genderqueer" in school libraries and classrooms, featuring explicit illustrations of apparently children engaging in things like fellatio on a dildo, anal sex with a strap-on, etc. This isn't about Romeo and Juliet. Do you have a better way to describe those kinds of books? Or do you support having "Genderqueer"…

You repeatedly state these things as fact, and you provide zero evidence ANYWHERE in this discussion.

Are you simply here to divide and generate ragebait, or are you here to engage in serious discussion?

Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by spamuel »

xibo9 wrote: post #48
spamuel wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rule says books that are pornographic. This became an issue because teachers began putting books like "Genderqueer" in school libraries and classrooms, featuring explicit illustrations of apparently children engaging in things like fellatio on a dildo, anal sex with a strap-on, etc. This isn't about Romeo and Juliet. Do you have a better way to describe those kinds of books? Or do you support having "Genderqueer"…

You repeatedly state these things as fact, and you provide zero evidence ANYWHERE in this discussion. Are you simply here to divide and generate ragebait, or are you here to engage in serious discussion?

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Re: Florida teachers could face felony for books in classroom not approved by state

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Post by nickthegreek »

spamuel wrote: post #37
AlexandrB wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love how ~10 years ago, the left was frequently accused of having a victim mentality. Seems like the right enjoys believing they're perpetual victims these days.

You're casting the desire for public schools to not make available a book with illustrations of two children engaged in anal sex with a dildo as "Republicans playing the victim".

That’s is not what’s going on here. And that hasn’t been happening.
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