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One of the things I positively like about Hacker News is the complete lack of notifications or tools to make it easy to see when someone has replied to me.

Low comment/response velocity is what keeps it from turning into reddit IMO. Meaning, high velocity encourages arguments, negativity and other low value response posts which is what I see all over on Reddit.

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Low comment/response velocity is what keeps it from turning into reddit IMO. Meaning, high velocity encourages arguments, negativity and other low value response posts which is what I see all over on Reddit.

The one unifying characteristic of all social network communities is that they all have a defined Other that they are better than. They all invent some rationale for why they are better but all of them are, in the end, the same.

Just like countries, some social networks have a measurably higher overall quality of life than others.

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So this will not show me replies to my comments, it is just showing comments with different layout? It's not very clear from title and description. I am following my comments through threads button in top, though it's not so easy to notice which have new reply and everything need to be checked manually. https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=petodo I wish there was some service where you enter your HN username and i…

A consequence of the current system is that it's impractical for an active user to have long-running conversations. As soon as a comment of mine has scrolled off the first page of threads, i'll almost never see a reply to it. I would want to be very confident that this was a bad thing before "fixing" it. HN's current culture must inevitably be shaped by this effect. How would it change if it was removed? I'm not sure…

I don't see how hntoast is going to address this problem. Say someone just replied to a comment of mine I made a month ago. Where do I see it?

The user interface you need to solve that problem is to be able to put in your user ID to see a timeline of all replies to any of your items whatsoever, not replies to a specific post.

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One of the things I positively like about Hacker News is the complete lack of notifications or tools to make it easy to see when someone has replied to me.

Gotta love when you see something change and have no idea why, but you've conditioned yourself to like it. A rare occurrence with technology.

Did something change on HN that users had to be conditioned to accept? No. It's a simply a different experience that is one among many that people continue to engage in. It's not like users "condition" themselves to only use HN.

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One of the things I positively like about Hacker News is the complete lack of notifications or tools to make it easy to see when someone has replied to me.

Low comment/response velocity is what keeps it from turning into reddit IMO. Meaning, high velocity encourages arguments, negativity and other low value response posts which is what I see all over on Reddit.

I remember pg actively detecting when two users start replying to each other quickly on HN, and will throttle how quickly each both see the reply in the hopes of de-escalating.

I think he also found that as two people argued down a thread, their wall of text gets thinner and thinner, and more annoying to read, and hoped that was a deterrence as well.

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Good work and thanks for sharing! hnreplies.com is great if you want an email-based version of something similar.

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Note that hnreplies asks not for a comment ID, but for your user ID. You get notified when someone replies to you in any thread whatsoever. You don't have to continuously monitor specific threads. That's the point.

Say I'm involved in 17 recent threads, in any of which there can be new replies. Do I have to bookmark 17 hntoast URLs and monitor them?

Or what if, today, someone replies to something I wrote in 2019? [Edit: that won't be possible; HN doesn't allow necroposting!]

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I like that HN didn’t act like other forums where 2 commentators go on a long threaded discussion. I like the fact that other people pick up the idea and carry it in the comments. If HNers wanted notifications they would’ve implemented it in the last decade.

>If HNers wanted notifications they would’ve implemented it in the last decade.

HNers have been complaining about wanting notifications since forever, and several people have set up services to that end.

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Interesting idea!

A tiny nit - computers are good at things, so the input box could easily take either a post id - eg 34520664 - or, for ease of use, the whole url - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34520664 - and then do the trivial string manipulation to extract out the id.

Saves the bit of friction going copying address bar to using hntoast.

Just my 2 cents.

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One of the issues with both is that there’s an invisible timer countdown until the point were any reply becomes unseen. On web forums I like to wait a few days before responding, to judge whether or not a response is actually worth the time and will result in a productive conversation. On places like Reddit and Hacker News we don’t have this option - a person usually has a couple of hours, at most a day or two before…

Plenty of times I've received replies to comments that were themselves replies to posts that were a fair number of days old. It depends on how often that person visits HN, how busy is their "threads" timeline and how deeply they go into it. Then, finally, whether or not your comment requires or provokes a response.

It can happen, but after a few hours it’s _extremely_ rare for people to read comments. If you’re an infrequent commentator, you’ll notice this. You’re almost never going to see your points change if you haven’t made a comment that day. On the rare occasion it does happen, it’s going to be one point for a post made in the past week.

Your reply actually made me curious and I logged into an old Hacker News account that I hadn’t used in a few years. Hundreds of comments on that account, many that had a very positive responses (thousands of total points). Yet not a single point was given since I switched accounts, likely because close to no one has read any of those comments since they were made.

On web forums it’s not unusual for me to get replies and reactions for comments that were made a decade ago.

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