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Re: So why a News Feed?

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People pay for a place to live and almost every amenity therein except the air we breathe. We pay for the electricity that moves bits around. For telephone lines. For computing hardware. For connecting to the internet. For getting information in print.

But for a certain type of software and information retrieval / news exchange, that builds on all this stuff we pay for, hurrah, we dont have to pay, not with money anyway, we just have to relinquish a bit a value (become a transparent, monitored and manipulated object).

Spot the odd business model. A business model that combines obvious amorality and social regression with economic shortsightness: You cannot build the digital society solely on monetizing personal data.

Yes, people will have to pay for journalism in the digital age, just like they have to pay individually for everything else that is not a public good paid collectively via taxes.

How we get there is not so important. No, people cannot be bothered to subscribe to hundreds of individual sources. We need decent intermediares (many of them and competing) that will (for a fee, lets say €10 per month) provide access to a basket of newspapers, journals etc.

The idea is an old one but executing it is difficult when you have to compete against above said aberrant business model. Sometimes politicians and legislators need to grow a spine or otherwise the very system that empowered them will collapse

Re: So why a News Feed?

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I remember a time when social media was like they describe. It was when I was in college and we used it to share photos of each other drunk at parties. It turned into a disaster the moment people decided it was also a good place to discuss news and politics. If you want to recreate "fun social media", focus on the things that made it fun in the first place and remove everything else. And you'll be too late, because p…

I disagree. People use social media for different purposes. One is to post about yourself, my least favorite, another is to post links to information and knowledge of interest to those with similar interests. People posting about themselves do nothing to up the IQ and awareness of the population and lead to mental health issues as well as feed narcissism. News and information can lead to learning and debate and all t…

You aren't responding to your parent's actual point, you've reworded it slightly and proceeded to disagree with the strawman version you created.

Their point was that news and politics were introduced to forums which were not about those things, and proceeded to turn those forums into shitfests, which is completely accurate.

For some reason you avoided the word politics in your reply and carefully recast the subject as "news and information and learning and debate." But politics is really what the argument hinges on. People didn't sign up for Facebook to fight over divisive political issues, but Facebook promoted those conversations for the sake of short-term profit.

It's completely 100% fine for us to say fuck that, get your politics out of here and it should have happened a long time ago. One reason HN is good is because it holds its nose when it comes to politics - sometimes it gets through, yes, but the worst stuff is usually downranked one way or another (flagging, algorithmic sorting, manual modding, etc. etc.).

There are plenty of places on the Internet for debating politics. We don't need to search out forums that aren't about politics, and then convert them into political debates.

Re: So why a News Feed?

#43

The reason for the drop in newsroom employees is consolidation a order of magnitude greater than was legal before Clinton's Telecommunications Act.

There were so many bad outcomes of this Act. It led to the corporate dominance that exists over US media today, and that translated to greater censorship, greater homogenization, less local control, and a simplification of American perspectives in general.

Clear Channel could not exist without this Act - that should be enough on its own to condemn it.

The media is trash today because of this law. But the media is owned by those who benefited from it, so you'll never hear about this.

Re: So why a News Feed?

#44

> Remember when social media was fun, introduced you to big ideas and cool people, and actually made you smarter? Remember when it didn't waste your time and make you angry or sad? When you could disagree with someone without being threatened or insulted? We want to bring that back with Post. > We believe that all humans are created equal, endowed with unalienable rights that include life, liberty, and the pursuit of…

> We believe in freedom of speech That just isn't possible. If you try and "oppose any government's attempt to censor speech on our platform" you'll just be arrested on terrorism charges and face 25 years in jail unless you take your site down or give backdoor access.[0] I fucking HATE these people with zero experience coming along and saying "oh we're free speech", you can bet your ass they'll cave on the first DMCA…

> [0] personal experience

Uhh, can you elaborate?

Re: So why a News Feed?

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Arguably, a lot of early radicalization happen because folks are open to accepting viewpoints and things they know nothing about, more and more toward extreme.

Could be the other way around too. The more people understand the more are they pushed away from apathetic mainstream beliefs, that lull you into the comfort of the herd and distract you from fundamental issues. Maybe it’s also two sides of the same coin? But personally I have to actively disengage with politics in order to keep my sanity and focus on the day to day and my personal challenges. The less I educate myse…

I did not really meant that. I meant that fascism adjacent content shows up in your recommendations somewhere around your gaming videos or whatever. You are open to it, click on it. You know nothing about discussed history so you just swallow it and move from there.

In the initial situation, you did not cared, one way or the other. But now, all you know is what this says and you believe it, because your mind was open.

Re: So why a News Feed?

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They haven't even launched yet and are already talking of The Personalized News Feed and the old discussion about a chronological feed is already going in the comments. No thanks. I already see where this one is going. Chronology and non-personalizing has become a good litmus test over the last decade of social. I'll get my news, viral and not, on Mastodon instead. It's such a relief to be there. Like being able to b…

In all honesty, Mastodon feels like a bigger echo chamber than Twitter. At least for me.

The people on the server are somehow all like minded people. There is rarely any disagreeing going on. The missing exposure to diverse perspective makes mastodon boring to me, and is the reason why I stopped using it.

Maybe I used it wrong ¯\(°_°)/¯

Re: So why a News Feed?

#47
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They haven't even launched yet and are already talking of The Personalized News Feed and the old discussion about a chronological feed is already going in the comments. No thanks. I already see where this one is going. Chronology and non-personalizing has become a good litmus test over the last decade of social. I'll get my news, viral and not, on Mastodon instead. It's such a relief to be there. Like being able to b…

In all honesty, Mastodon feels like a bigger echo chamber than Twitter. At least for me. The people on the server are somehow all like minded people. There is rarely any disagreeing going on. The missing exposure to diverse perspective makes mastodon boring to me, and is the reason why I stopped using it. Maybe I used it wrong ¯\(°_°)/¯

The penalty for wrongthink on mastodon is banning. This ensures ideological homogeneity within each instance. For many people, this is a feature not a bug.

Re: So why a News Feed?

#48
The text on the landing page is odd. It reads:

> Remember when social media was fun, introduced you to big ideas and cool people, and actually made you smarter? Remember when it didn't waste your time and make you angry or sad? When you could disagree with someone without being threatened or insulted? We want to bring that back with Post.

I remember no such thing. The only difference between the old and the new internet is in the new internet, the platform company tries to decide what's allowed and unallowed discource, whereas in the past you could find all sorts of unorthodox and heretical discussions in lots of places! They still exist, but incredibly more difficult to find because they are drowned out by the mainstream which has gotten a lot bigger.

Re: So why a News Feed?

#49

People pay for a place to live and almost every amenity therein except the air we breathe. We pay for the electricity that moves bits around. For telephone lines. For computing hardware. For connecting to the internet. For getting information in print. But for a certain type of software and information retrieval / news exchange, that builds on all this stuff we pay for , hurrah, we dont have to pay, not with money an…

> that is not a public good paid collectively via taxes.

Keeping in mind that most things which are paid for in this way do not meet the economic definition of a "public good" and therefore could have been provided efficiently by private entities for profit.

"News" is different.

At its core, without external regulations, "information" is not rivalrous: If I know something, that does not preclude you from knowing it. If I make a decision based on that information, that does not preclude you from making other decisions using that information (in contrast, if I eat a particular apple, you cannot eat the same apple).

Further, to the chagrin of many, "information", at its core, is not excludable in that there is always a way in which it can be transmitted which has frustrated and continues to frustrate many who seek to control it.

"News" is different though. Because "news" is usually something that demands attention now. Human attention is a constrained resource both because time is limited and because of cognitive constraints. Therefore, if one wants to understand what to do with this piece of "news", one may not be ability to process the this other one. Further, one can be excluded from receiving "news": Sure, you may get to find out eventually, but only people who pay for X can get the "news" immediately in a digestable way etc.

When private entities try to provide information people value, there will be a variety of them, competing, contradicting etc.

When a non-accountable body is charged with providing information that all must receive with funds collected in a way that is unrelated to what people want from the information they receive, guess what will happen.

Re: So why a News Feed?

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I agree with the ideas in this post but I am skeptical about their implementation. Users are shown a headline, an associated picture, and first 2-4 sentences of an article. Then they can buy the rest for ¢1-5. It feels like something that could be very easily exploited by clickbait. Although it currently does not seem to be. I do like the current assortment of news. It's not like other social media sites where news c…

Been on there since before the “dohicky” days and I have yet to see a post behind such a paywall. I know they want to enable this, but you don’t actually see it in the wild.
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