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Re: Servo to Advance in 2023

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Post by robert_foss »

seanw444 wrote: post #23
guerrilla wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only that but they're a worker-owned cooperative. This is all very impressive. > Igalia is a private, worker-owned, employee-run cooperative model consultancy focused on open source software. Based in A Coruña, Galicia (Spain), Igalia is known for its contributions and commitments to both open-source and open standards. Igalia's primary focus is on open source solutions for a large set of hardware and software pl…

I salute these kinds of companies. Including Collabora.

Collabora isn't worker owned. It does however have an animal farm sort of structure.

Re: Servo to Advance in 2023

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Post by maverick74 »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #13
maverick74 wrote: post #12

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What has Mozilla done which is so bad? The only thing that annoys me is their refusal to support any api for writing to an existing file, but I am aware this is a niche concern for most of the web.

well, in my personal opinion they shot themselves in the foot when:

- they ditch their own extension system (which was far more powerful) to go hunt for leprechauns with google "unified extensions system" (read Google-Controled extensions system)

- when they stopped servo development (yeah... there is lack of money, but not to pay the big ones on the top, right)

- They give the boot to Brendan Eich (yeah... the Brave browser guy)

- They spend coding time with useless features (oh i can mention a few... but lets start with those colorful themes that no one cares about..........)

- i can go on and on... and on.......

but... all in all, i'm HEAVY a Firefox user!!! (because there is nothing else to choose from)

Re: Servo to Advance in 2023

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Post by mariusor »

forgotpwd16 wrote: post #32
mariusor wrote: post #6

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I wish the first priority for the project would be to make it easy to integrate into other applications, instead of building a full fledged browser. To break the monopoly of WebKit/Blink browsers we need a competing rendering engine that is being developed outside the Google/Alphabet umbrella.

>first priority for the project would be to make it easy to integrate into other applications, instead of building a full fledged browser That's the case. From homepage: > Servo’s mission is to provide an independent, modular, embeddable web engine, which allows developers to deliver content and applications using web standards.

I thought that's the old blurb. In the article they specifically mention they want to work on CSS2:

> The focus for 2023 is to improve the situation of the layout system in Servo, with the initial goal of getting basic CSS2 layout working.

But seeing another comment in the thread, it looks like that was the last thing the developers that will be sponsored were working on anyway, so it makes sense to pick up where they have left off.

Re: Servo to Advance in 2023

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Post by camgunz »

TuringTest wrote: post #29
camgunz wrote: post #24

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> I generally feel little sympathy for Mozilla. I see this take a lot in Mozilla-ish threads, and at this point it just reads to me a lot like backseat driving. I think real critiques of Mozilla take the form of companies like Vivaldi, Opera, The Browser Company, Brave, Mighty, Synth, Sidekick, etc. I'm not doing a "put up or shut up" thing; I always think people have the right to critique and discuss. I'm just sayin…

Possibly. But thanks to Wolvic, there's a chance that the metaverse will be built on top of Servo ;-)

Heh, I would be delighted to eat my words this way

Re: Servo to Advance in 2023

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

camgunz wrote: post #24
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #19

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> Creating a browser rendering engine with full feature parity is an absolutely gigantic project. So? Gecko was a mess and they had something actually exciting on their hand which was mostly untainted by their branding. They could have bet on it rather than chose to die a slow death while their money trickles to their highly pay executive team. > Of course Mozilla wanted a way to monetise Servo. R&D is great but they…

> I generally feel little sympathy for Mozilla. I see this take a lot in Mozilla-ish threads, and at this point it just reads to me a lot like backseat driving. I think real critiques of Mozilla take the form of companies like Vivaldi, Opera, The Browser Company, Brave, Mighty, Synth, Sidekick, etc. I'm not doing a "put up or shut up" thing; I always think people have the right to critique and discuss. I'm just sayin…

> like backseat driving

It’s not backseat driving to criticise the driver who just crashed their vehicle into the wall.

> most of the anti-Mozilla stuff I see now seems like the former.

Sadly I did have to interact with Mozilla in the past decade. I wish I didn’t honestly. It goes a long way to explain why they have no momentum anymore as far as I’m concerned.

Re: Servo to Advance in 2023

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Post by WastingMyTime89 »

Calavar wrote: post #27
WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #19

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> Creating a browser rendering engine with full feature parity is an absolutely gigantic project. So? Gecko was a mess and they had something actually exciting on their hand which was mostly untainted by their branding. They could have bet on it rather than chose to die a slow death while their money trickles to their highly pay executive team. > Of course Mozilla wanted a way to monetise Servo. R&D is great but they…

> So? Gecko was a mess and they had something actually exciting on their hand which was mostly untainted by their branding. They could have bet on it rather than chose to die a slow death while their money trickles to their highly pay executive team. Mozilla/Firefox rose from the ashes of Netscape, which failed precisely because they tried to do a complete rewrite of their browser engine. With that in mind, it's not…

Netscape was killed by AOL culture in the same way Firefox died of Mozilla culture. Who could have guessed? The same management team led to the same end result.

Re: Servo to Advance in 2023

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Post by devit »

altairprime wrote: post #40
devit wrote: post #30

I'd suggest those priorities, in order: 1. Making a fully secure no-JavaScript browser for Tor usage 2. A secure browser that works on major websites 3. Android support 4. Embedding support 5. Extensions support 6. All missing features supported by both Firefox and Chrome, roughly in order of addition to the web standards 7. Replace Firefox 8. All features supported by any browser

It’s rather uncommon that you consider TOR support to be a higher priority than “a browser that works”, so I’d like to hear more about the ordering of your first two priorities, specifically.

Because an unexploitable browser (which is the main fundamental advantage of Servo) is more important for Tor than elsewhere since an exploit will compromise anonymity.

Also, since Tor browsing is often done with JavaScript off, and removing JavaScript removes a huge amount of web features that need to be supported (including a JavaScript engine, which I think Servo still doesn't have a pure Rust implementation of), it's much easier to make a usable browser for this use case than others.

Re: Servo to Advance in 2023

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Post by maverick74 »

sebzim4500 wrote: post #13
maverick74 wrote: post #12

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What has Mozilla done which is so bad? The only thing that annoys me is their refusal to support any api for writing to an existing file, but I am aware this is a niche concern for most of the web.

And, by the way, what's so wrong with my comment that had to be flagged???
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