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The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by prova_modena »

zokier wrote: post #38
jansan wrote: post #13

Rally in the 80s until 1986 was insane. There was the class B with some of the most powerful rally cars ever built. If you see older insane rally videos, it is usually from class B. The Porsche 959 never participated in group B races, and it would have been really interesting to see it competing with Audi Quattro and Lancia Delta. unfortunately in 1986 there were several tragic accidents, resulted in the end of group…

> Rally in the 80s until 1986 was insane. There was the class B with some of the most powerful rally cars ever built Strictly speaking true; but in practice peak power didn't end up being that critical and rally cars soon became faster even with less power. Also the ultra-high power period only lasted few years, maybe 84-86 or so (modern WRC car produces 380 HP which afaik is more than any 1983 championship competito…

True, I would also add that a major contributing factor to the danger of the group B era was absolutely horrendous race organization and scheduling, creating dangerous situations for competitors and spectators. Most notably and tragically at Portugal in 1986. While Gr.B cars required great skill, the danger of the cars themselves was perhaps overemphasized by Jean Marie Balestre's FISA to direct blame away from their own organization and on to the manufacturers.

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by defrost »

prova_modena wrote: post #41
zokier wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Rally in the 80s until 1986 was insane. There was the class B with some of the most powerful rally cars ever built Strictly speaking true; but in practice peak power didn't end up being that critical and rally cars soon became faster even with less power. Also the ultra-high power period only lasted few years, maybe 84-86 or so (modern WRC car produces 380 HP which afaik is more than any 1983 championship competito…

True, I would also add that a major contributing factor to the danger of the group B era was absolutely horrendous race organization and scheduling, creating dangerous situations for competitors and spectators. Most notably and tragically at Portugal in 1986. While Gr.B cars required great skill, the danger of the cars themselves was perhaps overemphasized by Jean Marie Balestre's FISA to direct blame away from their…

Even today you'll see dangerous conditions in long distance desert racing due to unstructured roads and inadequate crowd barrierrs (for those that travel out to the dune whoops to see things go bad:

( Finke, not the Paris-Dakar )

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-0eTjCfVXs

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJfuZdymPes

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by stickfigure »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #37
skywal_l wrote: post #6

Balavoine was a once in a generation talent. He was a great singer but more importantly an exceptional composer right next to Goldman. He died at 36 and still he was able to write so many memorable songs. Lady Marlene is not the most popular but I have fond memories of it.

> Balavoine […] once in a generation talent […] right next to Goldman That’s a very loose definition of talent you have. There is a reason people think the 80s is a lost decade. We are talking about a terrible period in a country known for the general awfulness of its pop music. Still a tragic and very unfortunate event.

> general awfulness of its pop music

What on earth? There are literally whole broadcast radio stations that play nothing but 80s pop music. If you don't like 80s music, you can get the fuck off my lawn.

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by noipv4 »

If you really want to experience rallying I would recommend driving one of the modern road going rally inspired cars like the Lancer EVO / WRX STI / GR Yaris. They handle like no other, and will push the casual driver to their limits much before the car reaches its limits. Also turbo lag is fun.

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by aliswe »

jbandela1 wrote: post #2

> Back in 1977, while riding a Yamaha XT 500 in the Abidjan-Nice Rally, a wealthy French motorcycle racer named Thierry Sabine got lost in the Libyan desert. The Libyan desert is a very dangerous place. Cambyses son of Cyrus the Great ended up losing an entire army of tens of thousands of men in the Libyan desert. The army was never found. Later Alexander the Great also got lost in the Libyan desert and was only save…

Have you been there? Genuinely curious, I'm thinking of visiting.

Please give any sources you can

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

culopatin wrote: post #39
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a road capable tractor (for generous definitions of road capable, nobody who actually gushes over them would consider them fit for road use) that has an internet following. If the vehicle type were widely useful outside of very few very specific niches it would be prolific and more OEMs would make them.

I don’t understand why you’d reply in such a pedantic way and yet not say anything that expands, refutes or seems associated with what the comment you’re replying to said. OP said it’s a beast, not “what a great road truck to take the family on a trip”. People buy Humvees to drive around by the way.

I just thought the inherent tradeoffs between "do tractor stuff" and "be nice on the road" were obvious enough.

These vehicles top out at about 55 after 1/4mi of flat road with your foot on the floor. This kind of performance is fine for a convoy but is a really un-fun time in modern traffic.

The torsional flexing that makes them want to keep tires planted for working on less than even terrain makes them handle like poo even compared to other vehicles on similar sized tires.

These things make humvees look good, not fast, but good.

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by culopatin »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #46
culopatin wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t understand why you’d reply in such a pedantic way and yet not say anything that expands, refutes or seems associated with what the comment you’re replying to said. OP said it’s a beast, not “what a great road truck to take the family on a trip”. People buy Humvees to drive around by the way.

I just thought the inherent tradeoffs between "do tractor stuff" and "be nice on the road" were obvious enough. These vehicles top out at about 55 after 1/4mi of flat road with your foot on the floor. This kind of performance is fine for a convoy but is a really un-fun time in modern traffic. The torsional flexing that makes them want to keep tires planted for working on less than even terrain makes them handle like…

Do those things not make it a beast? I still don’t get your point. No one said they were good road vehicles. Just that they were a beast, which they are. Are beasts light nimble and quiet in general?

Re: The 1986 Paris-Dakar rally (2021)

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Post by dclowd9901 »

marban wrote: post #24
dclowd9901 wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oops lol for some reason I thought the person I was replying to was talking about a die-cast model or something! Of course the 959 is basically completely out of reach for a pleb like me.

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