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Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Post by nullsense »

Xeoncross wrote: post #22
nszceta wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost certainly negatively. Why learn or put in effort into written text prompts when examiners can be easily fooled with machine generated prose? Those that lack discipline, self-control, and have no desire to learn will eliminate themselves.

Sadly. I've learned there is a lot of correlation to lack of discipline/self-control and success in life. Most of the wealthy and successful people I know also happen to go to the gym, monitor their diet, and seem to be able to control their temper in a bad situation. It seems to spill into all areas of your life.

It's called trait conscientiousness.

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Post by mo_42 »

If released in the right way, this will have a huge benefit for education.

Students will have to focus on the innovative ideas and concepts. Wordsmithing is annoying and not really productive work. A machine should to it.

Sure teachers have to adapt and redesign courses.

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Post by limitedsupply »

nszceta wrote: post #15
jtbayly wrote: post #4

If I pay them will they remove some of the stupid limitations?

As a commercial entity in the western world they have to appease the social justice warriors or face getting deplatformed and hit with a smear campaign. Don't hold your breath. The unrestricted models will come from China.

These models are adjusted to match cultural norms/expectations/values. China has that as well, maybe different, but it’s not a neutral blank sheet (obvious examples being anything that contradicts CCP).

On your first point: I believe there is more to that than the pressure from the loud CJW minority. Almost everyone on the US political spectrum has ethical norms and values that would repudiate a completely free creative expression, especially by a non-sentient system.

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Post by joelfried »

jerpint wrote: post #16
dcsommer wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cumulative damage may be very small now, at the beginning of this age, but educators I talk to certainly are having a reckoning about it. Whether this will ultimately be bad for education is an open question, but with the way many classes and homework are designed now, students using ChatGPT to answer questions certainly do learn less.

Education today seems broken, perhaps this will be a way to fix a broken system. They don’t teach abacus use in schools anymore as well as how to use log tables

Assuming we're limiting our scope to the modern American public school system this won't help, at least where I'm located. Teachers are required to have Masters degrees and are paid within the range for a part time cashier at Lowe's[1]. We aren't going to fix this system until that changes; when we're paying that badly we're going to get the worst of what's left.

[1] Sourced the salary for teachers near me from Google's linked data. Sourced the Lowe's part time cashier range from an actual job listing in my area.

Edit: fixed footnote, sentence fragment.

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Post by scrollaway »

gavinray wrote: post #18

Curious what others would pay/if anyone else signed the form? I'd pay like $10/mo I think. Possibly more if there were no censorship/limitations (it had access to internet browsing, and I could direct it to URL's for information and whatnot). I pay that for Copilot right now, which I feel is easily worth $50/mo. (I don't use ChatGPT that much, it'd need to be ingrained in my IDE workflow)

Assuming it doesn't have the limitations it has right now, and it becomes more reliable, I put in $4 for too low, $400 for too high, $250 for would consider, $50 for bargain.

You have to know how to use it, but if you do, then it easily is far less expensive than the alternative. However, at $400+/mo, it starts to be worth it to just use gpt directly and write your own chatbot.

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Post by est31 »

jerpint wrote: post #16
dcsommer wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cumulative damage may be very small now, at the beginning of this age, but educators I talk to certainly are having a reckoning about it. Whether this will ultimately be bad for education is an open question, but with the way many classes and homework are designed now, students using ChatGPT to answer questions certainly do learn less.

Education today seems broken, perhaps this will be a way to fix a broken system. They don’t teach abacus use in schools anymore as well as how to use log tables

Yeah, homework was designed as a way to make self study monitoring and verification scalable. It's not a bad solution but if the availability of AI makes it hard to control that someone has done their homework instead of giving it to an AI, then you have to look for alternatives.

Thankfully, in such a world, AI is available to the "teacher" side as well and can serve as a way to both check that the student is doing their job and also to answer their questions, like a personalized teacher of sorts.

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Post by Filligree »

KVFinn wrote: post #26
amanj41 wrote: post #17

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If the model gets as good as they strive for, its outputs would be indistinguishable from those of PHD level students. There would be no point in augmenting its results with human contributions

>If the model gets as good as they strive for, its outputs would be indistinguishable from those of PHD level students. There would be no point in augmenting its results with human contributions I don't disagree but in a world where every GPU on the planet is as intelligent as PHD student, the next year each GPU is twice as smart as the smartest human on Earth, and not long after that every person on Earth is either…

That seems worth worrying about, yes.

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Post by lelandfe »

dcsommer wrote: post #11
mensetmanusman wrote: post #2

“However, ever since the chatbot has come into action, it has been negatively impacting students' learning.” This sentence is out of nowhere, did ChatGPT write this article? How could someone think something so new is suddenly negatively impacting students across the board.

Cumulative damage may be very small now, at the beginning of this age, but educators I talk to certainly are having a reckoning about it. Whether this will ultimately be bad for education is an open question, but with the way many classes and homework are designed now, students using ChatGPT to answer questions certainly do learn less.

It is a five alarm fire at every university I have a line into. As in, “it’s time to radically rethink your entire course” kind of fire.

I don’t think it’s bad, per se, but ChatGPT has effectively made it pointless to do certain kinds of assignments now.

A lot of professors have been teaching the same way for many years. It’s a reckoning.

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Post by londons_explore »

thrdbndndn wrote: post #25

Wish they can at least release previous conversations. I have been seeing "previous conversations are temporarily unavailable" for days and all I wanted is just to save some of my previously generated essays.

I think showing those previous conversations is a much harder job than it appears... There is an architectural problem. I described the issue here:[1]

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34337575

Re: OpenAI starts testing ChatGPT premium

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Post by draugadrotten »

nullsense wrote: post #39
nszceta wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost certainly negatively. Why learn or put in effort into written text prompts when examiners can be easily fooled with machine generated prose? Those that lack discipline, self-control, and have no desire to learn will eliminate themselves.

My son is 7 years and he routinely asks me "why learn anything when you can just ask Google?". I can only imagine the impact this will have on that attitude over time.

Do you challenge him with simple questions like "How do you know the answer you get from Google is true?"
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