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Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

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Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

#41

Of course Stephen Wolfram would (implicitly) beat me to this hot take: Wolfram Alpha is, and has been, more impressive in its domains than ChatGPT is at anything in particular.

hot take

It's rotten moss crushed deep into the permafrost:

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

#42
post #21

In the past, I have found Stephen Wolfram's air of superiority off-putting[a], but in this case I find myself nodding in agreement with every point he makes in the OP. I highly recommend you read it. This proposal, in particular, sounds like a great idea for improving ChatGPT in the near term: > ...there’s the immediate opportunity of giving ChatGPT computational knowledge superpowers through Wolfram|Alpha. So it can…

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Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

#43
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post #21

In the past, I have found Stephen Wolfram's air of superiority off-putting[a], but in this case I find myself nodding in agreement with every point he makes in the OP. I highly recommend you read it. This proposal, in particular, sounds like a great idea for improving ChatGPT in the near term: > ...there’s the immediate opportunity of giving ChatGPT computational knowledge superpowers through Wolfram|Alpha. So it can…

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Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

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I think ChatGPT is pretty neat but I was somewhat less impressed than everyone else is with the code generation. I actually agree with Wolfram for a change; being human like isn’t always “good”. For example, I asked ChatGPT to give me a proof of Fermat’s Last Theorem in Isabelle/Isar. It quickly gave me some very pretty Isar code, and I was extremely impressed. Until I tried actually inputting it into Isabelle, and n…

It's quickly apparent that the people impressed with ChatGPT's code are generally solving pretty toy problems and want an alternative to SO for "how to do X".

Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

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post #21

In the past, I have found Stephen Wolfram's air of superiority off-putting[a], but in this case I find myself nodding in agreement with every point he makes in the OP. I highly recommend you read it. This proposal, in particular, sounds like a great idea for improving ChatGPT in the near term: > ...there’s the immediate opportunity of giving ChatGPT computational knowledge superpowers through Wolfram|Alpha. So it can…

I agree that the prospects of combining the two is very appealing. I do hope that will happen in one way or another. As for Stephen Wolfram, maybe it's my predisposition but even in this article, I feel like I am sensing not just vanity but also a slight jealousy of ChatGPT's success.

Yes. I know what you mean about vanity/jealousy, but if you ignore his usual self-serving drivel -- e.g., offhand dismissive comments like "I've been tracking neural net technology for a long time (about 43 years, actually)" -- he makes good arguments, backed with examples, in the OP. Like everyone else, he deserves credit where and when it's due ;-)

Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I usually just use google (calculator) for unit conversions, because it is less rigid in what it expects and it returns faster.

google can't calculate to different unit types like wolfram alpha. For example "1.5 cup of uranium in kg" is something wolfram alpha can calculate but nothing else can without extra manual steps.

I don't even want to know what kind of cookies you're baking

Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

#48
post #3

Not sure why this isn't triggering any discussion? I recall reading a QuantaMagazine issue about combining a Cyc-like (old school AI database https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyc ) with GPT-2: https://www.quantamagazine.org/common-sense-comes-to-compute... they had some success improving "common sense" in AI. Combining Mathematica with ChatGPT would be similar and could improve these new AI reliability.

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Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

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post #34

I think ChatGPT is pretty neat but I was somewhat less impressed than everyone else is with the code generation. I actually agree with Wolfram for a change; being human like isn’t always “good”. For example, I asked ChatGPT to give me a proof of Fermat’s Last Theorem in Isabelle/Isar. It quickly gave me some very pretty Isar code, and I was extremely impressed. Until I tried actually inputting it into Isabelle, and n…

> I think ChatGPT is pretty neat but I was somewhat less impressed than everyone else is with the code generation.

specifically on code generation, even if it could produce the correct code, it's basically faster horses: if you ask a programmer what they want, it's something to generate rote code for them so they don't have to write it... but that's the wrong problem. The problem is not that code is hard to write, or that we don't have enough code, it's that we have too much code and need to write code to solve previously solved problems in the first place.

The future is platforms like Retool that reduce the need to write code, the future is businesses producing less code, the future is businesses producing code to solve new problems -- which an LLM can't do. If code has been written so many times that a language learning model can output it, why on earth are we still producing it (whether that's writing it or inducing a robot to output it)?

Code generation might be a fun novelty for a little while but it's not the future, it'll be a distant memory soon enough.

Re: Wolfram Alpha and ChatGPT

#50
post #34

I think ChatGPT is pretty neat but I was somewhat less impressed than everyone else is with the code generation. I actually agree with Wolfram for a change; being human like isn’t always “good”. For example, I asked ChatGPT to give me a proof of Fermat’s Last Theorem in Isabelle/Isar. It quickly gave me some very pretty Isar code, and I was extremely impressed. Until I tried actually inputting it into Isabelle, and n…

It's quickly apparent that the people impressed with ChatGPT's code are generally solving pretty toy problems and want an alternative to SO for "how to do X".

And that’s fine for the average HN audience; what disturbs me is that hiring managers see articles like “I had ChatGPT rewrite my code and it went 100000% faster!!!”, and then decide that they don’t need more than one engineer.

If we could automate away engineers that’s fine with me, but i just don’t think that ChatGPT is there yet. I actually think Wolfram is kind of onto something with having ChatGPT work with Alpha to be used for stuff that has “objective” answers.

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