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A Happy, Flourishing City With No Advertising

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Re: A Happy, Flourishing City With No Advertising

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Post by cmdrreiki »

comicjk wrote: post #32
rhizome wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It makes the business district look sleepy and quiet, rather than active and bustling. Only to people looking at pictures on the internet. When you're there, there's just as much commerce happening as ever. Note that Brazil is one of the few countries that was able to evade the global rape that the finanical industries committed over the past few years. What was the last thing you bought that was directly attributabl…

Clearly we buy some things on that basis, or businesses wouldn't pay for the ads.

Not so clear. Many advertisers will quickly disavow this approach, and freely admit they instead aim to create vague positive feelings for the brand.

Re: A Happy, Flourishing City With No Advertising

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Post by cmdrreiki »

rhygar wrote: post #33
mshron wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

... where there are serious externalities. Isn't this where government regulation is most suited?

What externalities? What material harm is caused by putting up a sign, beyond "I disapprove of it"?

Poor aesthetics cause psychological harm through both distraction and pure ugliness. I shouldn't have to combat decades of scientific research on attention-stealing simply to maintain my train of thought as I walk down the street.

Re: A Happy, Flourishing City With No Advertising

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Post by rickyconnolly »

Dislike. Advertising is what gives cities their unique visual culture. We associate different typographic 'looks' with different cities. Where would Miami be without its bold, ostentatious signage? Where would New York City be without its iconic frankin gothic and gotham centered visual culture?

Re: A Happy, Flourishing City With No Advertising

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Post by spodek »

jxcole wrote: post #3

I would be interested to see before and after shots. Was their advertising problem really so bad or was just about the same as any other city? Edit: Found one: http://banbillboardblight.org/?page_id=4251

For more background and some interviews of business owners there, see Morgan Spurlock's movie, The Greatest Movie Ever Sold. He's the guy who did Supersize Me and some tv shows.

He traveled to São Paulo and this movie shows footage of the city. I learned of the city's ban from that movie.

(Edit: thanks Icebrain for correcting my spelling)

Re: A Happy, Flourishing City With No Advertising

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Post by spodek »

rickyconnolly wrote: post #43

Dislike. Advertising is what gives cities their unique visual culture. We associate different typographic 'looks' with different cities. Where would Miami be without its bold, ostentatious signage? Where would New York City be without its iconic frankin gothic and gotham centered visual culture?

I remember hearing things like this before the indoor smoking ban a few years ago. People said it was part of what bars and clubs were for.

In particular, New York City establishments said people who came in from the suburbs and brought money in would stop coming in.

The ban was successful. A year or two later Hoboken passed a ban because people were increasingly going into the city for the cleaner indoor air they couldn't get in Hoboken.

As a New Yorker of over two decades, I'd love to see such a ban here, perhaps with some areas, like Times Square, zoned to allow it. As with smoking, I expect a large majority would support it once implemented.

Re: A Happy, Flourishing City With No Advertising

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Post by ars »

rhizome wrote: post #21
ars wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After watching that, I could easily support banning 3rd party advertising. But removing the ads for the business just under the ad does not strike me as better. It makes the business district look sleepy and quiet, rather than active and bustling. And as a resident I don't mind ads telling me what I can do/get/buy at a location - that's sort of what I want when I visit a business district.

It makes the business district look sleepy and quiet, rather than active and bustling. Only to people looking at pictures on the internet. When you're there, there's just as much commerce happening as ever. Note that Brazil is one of the few countries that was able to evade the global rape that the finanical industries committed over the past few years. What was the last thing you bought that was directly attributabl…

> What was the last thing you bought that was directly attributable to seeing a street advertisement at a location?

You've never bought some food from a street vendor? Or gone in a coffee shop and bought a bagel? Or made a photocopy after seeing a shop on the street?

Re: A Happy, Flourishing City With No Advertising

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Post by spodek »

spodek wrote: post #45
jxcole wrote: post #3

I would be interested to see before and after shots. Was their advertising problem really so bad or was just about the same as any other city? Edit: Found one: http://banbillboardblight.org/?page_id=4251

For more background and some interviews of business owners there, see Morgan Spurlock's movie, The Greatest Movie Ever Sold. He's the guy who did Supersize Me and some tv shows. He traveled to São Paulo and this movie shows footage of the city. I learned of the city's ban from that movie. (Edit: thanks Icebrain for correcting my spelling)

Downvoted?

The movie shows before and after images and interviews people there, directly answering the question of the post I responded to.

After seeing the movie I even looked online to see if anyone posted those specific scenes (of São Paulo) online. I didn't find any, but if anyone else found them, please let me know.

Re: A Happy, Flourishing City With No Advertising

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Post by icebraining »

spodek wrote: post #45
jxcole wrote: post #3

I would be interested to see before and after shots. Was their advertising problem really so bad or was just about the same as any other city? Edit: Found one: http://banbillboardblight.org/?page_id=4251

For more background and some interviews of business owners there, see Morgan Spurlock's movie, The Greatest Movie Ever Sold. He's the guy who did Supersize Me and some tv shows. He traveled to São Paulo and this movie shows footage of the city. I learned of the city's ban from that movie. (Edit: thanks Icebrain for correcting my spelling)

*São Paulo
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