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Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by dehrmann »

vleon42 wrote: post #35

I am torn actually unsure on what would be morally correct: 1. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike from my private property. 2. I, as an individual, am allowed to deny entry to persons affiliated with a business I dislike from my private property. 3. I, as a business owner (eg: a restaurant), am allowed to deny entry to persons I dislike (eg: a previous patron who was violent) from my b…

The less dramatic version of 2 is a bouncer saying "no, you're friends with Bob, and Bob always causes trouble."

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by monksy »

indymike wrote: post #27
defen wrote: post #7

Radio City Music Hall is a private venue, they can ban or exclude anyone they want, as long as it's not due to membership in a protected class. You don't have a right to attend a Rockettes show, and if she doesn't like this policy she can start her own Christmas Spectacular show.

> Radio City Music Hall is a private venue, they can ban or exclude anyone they want, as long as it's not due to membership in a protected class. There are a ton of laws preventing this behavior by venues. Basically if you sell tickets to the public, you HAVE to let the ticket holders in, barring bad behavior at the gate or contraband. The idea that something is private means you can do whatever you want is very naiv…

MSG Certainly does not abide by that.("you have to let ticket holders in")

I was banned entry [Chicago Theater] (not formally but at the door which was weird as that I was not trying to progress in) for refusing to encase my phone in the yonder pouch. Once denied, I requested a full refund of my ticket. I don't recall having the notice when I bought the ticket and the the ticket didn't state the phone casing. (This was chris rock)

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by dragonwriter »

happytoexplain wrote: post #39

>MSG instituted a straightforward policy that precludes attorneys pursuing active litigation against the Company from attending events at our venues until that litigation has been resolved. While it's reasonable to disagree with this policy, it's not really related to social dystopia , so I think it's dramatic to lament this in the vein of "today it's this, tomorrow it will be getting banned due to Tweeting about you…

> While it’s reasonable to disagree with this policy, it’s not really related to social dystopia […] While it’s reasonable to disagree with this policy, it’s not really related to social politics, so I think it’s dramatic to lament this in the vein of “today it’s this, tomorrow it will be getting banned due to Tweeting about your politics”, or whatever. I mean, yes, that may happen, but the only thing concerning about this case is the tech itself

Tolerance for use of the technology without restrictions is, arguably, a way in which this relates to social dystopia.

Technology doesn’t do anything on its own; people using it (and other people allowing other people to use it) in certain ways is always social.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by monksy »

RC_ITR wrote: post #32
defen wrote: post #7

Radio City Music Hall is a private venue, they can ban or exclude anyone they want, as long as it's not due to membership in a protected class. You don't have a right to attend a Rockettes show, and if she doesn't like this policy she can start her own Christmas Spectacular show.

You are forgetting that they have the right to not sell tickets to whomever they choose, but once that ticket is sold, they are on very shaky ground to ban someone unless they misrepresented who they were when buying the ticket. Tickets are contracts! How can they prove this isn’t some bogus way to account for oversold seats? What if an airline did the same on oversold flights?

Nope they always have a clause stating that they can remove you from the venue for what ever reason they want.

Ticket master also has anti-chargeback clauses as well.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

renewiltord wrote: post #23
guerrilla wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you working against your own interest?

Working against one's own interest because one believes in a higher principle is a good thing. It's what we call "being principled".

> Working against one's own interest because one believes in a higher principle is a good thing. It's what we call "being principled".

It can be a good thing while we regularly and objectively evaluate a principle's worth. We humans have a history of allowing principles to obtain rigidity and the diminished outcomes that follow. We also tend to allow principle creep w/o sufficient examination.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by mannykannot »

voidmain0001 wrote: post #25
mannykannot wrote: post #10

"A spokesperson for MSG reiterated in a statement that safety is their highest priority and that facial recognition is just one of the methods they use. MSG Entertainment also said it is confident their policy is in compliance with all applicable laws, including the New York State Liquor Authority." Why do spokespersons frequently speak in non-sequiturs? They simply underline the absence of any good argument. I hope…

This explains why MSG called out the NYSLA - https://www.forbes.com/sites/justinbirnbaum/2022/12/07/madis...

Thanks for the link.

Notice that there is no claim here that it is a safety issue.

If MSG fears certain employees may reveal things it does not want known, it should constrain those employees from contact with the public within its venues.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by mcphage »

hnuser847 wrote: post #17

TL;DR A personal injury lawyer ("in a wreck, need a check?") was banned from an attending a show. She attended anyway and was asked to leave. Computers were involved.

> was banned from an attending a show.

Weird that they still sold her a ticket, though.

Re: Facial recognition tech gets woman booted from Rockettes show due to employer

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Post by skywal_l »

defen wrote: post #37
RC_ITR wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are forgetting that they have the right to not sell tickets to whomever they choose, but once that ticket is sold, they are on very shaky ground to ban someone unless they misrepresented who they were when buying the ticket. Tickets are contracts! How can they prove this isn’t some bogus way to account for oversold seats? What if an airline did the same on oversold flights?

> they are on very shaky ground to ban someone unless they misrepresented who they were when buying the ticket. Then I suppose it will come down to whether the ticket terms included a clause that the purchaser/attendee was not employed by a firm involved in a lawsuit against MSGE.

Yes, that's why every time I buy something I check the list of companies my employers is in litigation with. /s
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