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Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

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Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

#41
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I hope that at some point swatting becomes a felony akin to attempted murder.

It already is considered attempted murder by some localities. The issue is usually catching the swatter. They often use anonymous VOIP services and voice changers (if they are even in the same country as the target), so it is effectively impossible to track them down.

> They often use anonymous VOIP services and voice changers

using a voice changer is asking for trouble... I would use synthesized speech

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

#42
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I hope that at some point swatting becomes a felony akin to attempted murder.

"Swatting" isn't a significant problem in other parts of the world because the result is super boring: The police knock on the door, ask some questions, and then leave.

It is only a problem in the US because the response itself is terrifying and often dangerous. Multiple people have died from "swatting" in the US[0].

"Swatting" should carry a jail term for sure. But police reform is a large component in solving the problem (and many other topical problems).

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting#Injuries_or_deaths_du...

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

#43
post #4

I hope that at some point swatting becomes a felony akin to attempted murder.

It already is considered attempted murder by some localities. The issue is usually catching the swatter. They often use anonymous VOIP services and voice changers (if they are even in the same country as the target), so it is effectively impossible to track them down.

> It already is considered attempted murder by some localities

Is there a link to this? The government decided that calling another branch of the government for help is so dangerous it is an attempt to murder?

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

#44
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It already is considered attempted murder by some localities. The issue is usually catching the swatter. They often use anonymous VOIP services and voice changers (if they are even in the same country as the target), so it is effectively impossible to track them down.

The question is: why is it possible to place a 911 call without all that information being laid bare before the dispatcher and logged. There are extraordinary regulations on carriers for E911, and thus a means to impose that requirement.

I'm hearing "let's block or delay 911 calls for [a reason]." Not sure that'll get a lot of traction.

It's an awful problem that will exist as long as people suck.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

#45
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems excessive. I would consider swatting lesser than attempted voluntary manslaughter which carries a maximum 10 year federal sentence. It’s also typically prosecuted at the state level, which kinda messes things up for the Feds. Reckless endangerment feels more appropriate, perhaps a bit too soft at 2 years maximum, though it is rarely prosecuted at the federal level. So 5 years maximum for the federal conspi…

No. If I drive to a random house and start shooting at it, I don’t get to call that reckless endangerment. If I kill someone I sure as hell don’t get to call it an accident. It does not matter if you think how is police operate is unreasonable, what matters is that what they do is well known and established, and the outcome is foreseeable. Also, if your best defense is “this isn’t attempted murder, it’s just terroris…

Surely if the caller is getting charged with attempt to murder, then the SWAT doing the swatting should be charged with the same crime?

How can the caller be more culpable than the one actually commiting the crime? This literally never happens in the history of crime.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

#46
post #4

I hope that at some point swatting becomes a felony akin to attempted murder.

Why does the claim that a police presence is needed somewhere result in the death of innocent people? Why are the police prepared for war when visiting someone's residence? What situation, time and time again, can possibly justify this kind of repeated response?

Put in another, more unpleasant way, how many innocent deaths are worth one police officer death, because law enforcement justifies this due to (truly existent, but I think extremely overstated) danger inherent in the job.

But I think any rational mind can perceive it's way too far skewed in one direction.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

#47
post #4

I hope that at some point swatting becomes a felony akin to attempted murder.

I hope that one day we can trust cops not to murder people based on anonymous phoned-in tips. Seems more rational than expecting random marginal people and the mentally ill to care about some draconian penalty for something they don't think they're likely to get caught for.

As far as I can tell from this report, no-one was shot at, so maybe the correction is already being made. On the other hand, I would not mind those who still find swatting appealing to be presented with plenty of time to develop some form of maturity before they are in a position to repeat. It's not like these are contradictory goals.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

#48
post #4

I hope that at some point swatting becomes a felony akin to attempted murder.

"Swatting" isn't a significant problem in other parts of the world because the result is super boring: The police knock on the door, ask some questions, and then leave. It is only a problem in the US because the response itself is terrifying and often dangerous. Multiple people have died from "swatting" in the US[0]. "Swatting" should carry a jail term for sure. But police reform is a large component in solving the p…

Is the rest of the world loaded up to the gills with weapons? There's 1.2 guns per citizen...

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

#49

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Why is it always boys and men who do swatting?

Boys and men are conservatively responsible for like 90% of violence, from suicide to dropping nukes.

This - though increasingly, women have their finger on the nuclear button, and there are one or two I would not trust any more than the guys.

Re: Amazon Ring cameras used in nationwide ‘swatting’ spree, US Justice Dept. says

#50
post #6
post #4

I hope that at some point swatting becomes a felony akin to attempted murder.

Stopping the swatter doesn't do much, and still allows for people to be swatted. The thing that needs an overhaul is the decision making on when to actually send out the swat team. It's lazy, expensive, and dangerous to send them out for every opportunity without any investigation

If I call the cops because some armed gunman is breaking into my house, I don’t want them to send some unarmed patrolman to politely knock on my door and check whether everything is okay.
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