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Scientists' proposed calendar synchronizes dates with days

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Re: Scientists' proposed calendar synchronizes dates with days

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The scientific part is simple, its just a little maths. The difficult part is to get 8 billion people to agree to pull in the same direction. And my guess is, that it will never happen, unfortunately.

I would tend to agree, but then we have things like DST shifting around all the time. The government just states they are making a change, and everyone does. Every software that isn't based on a network time server breaks, and is fixed, and we move on. The same could happen with this new calendar, the government simply mandates that by a certain year it has to be in place.

The largest burden will be on legacy software and getting that patched. That very well could be reason enough for the reversal of this calendar, as every government software breaks, and they find out how slow they are to keeping up with their own mandates.

Re: Scientists' proposed calendar synchronizes dates with days

#42
In Malaysia, if holiday falls on Sunday, it'll be "carried forward" to Monday (you still celebrate on Sunday, but Monday will be extra holiday).

And in some companies, if holiday falls on Saturday, you get extra 1 day leave entitlement.

Now, you can see conflicting interest here, especially between employees and employers :)

Re: Scientists' proposed calendar synchronizes dates with days

#43
I love this idea, but there are a few things that aren't covered in the comments that I want to know about.

1) How does this calendar align to the phases of the moon? How many moons are there per-year? Is this variable? This is important due to archaic calendar systems and dates that are based on solar-lunar calendars (e.g. China & Japan)

2) Is there a quick and easy algorithm for re-mapping dates? My birthday was on Mar 30, 1991 - for example. Would I simply keep the old date, or adopt a new one? I assume keep the old since its still on the calendar, but what about people born January 31st?

3) How do seasons align and fluctuate along these new datelines? And how does this floating week influence it?

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> "You have a whole area in the mathematics of finance that could be cleared up, and lots of confusion, lots of error, done away with by going to this calendar," he said. People don't realize the time they're wasting simply because of the variable calendar, Hanke said.

Most economic and political activity in Western countries is to give people something to do so they'll conform, be it accounting and tax rules, legal requirements, or ICT interfaces. The actual labor required to mine resources, manufacture things, and grow and distribute food is some small percentage of overall economic activity. Taking away this complexity would put people out of work, more likely to question governments or occupy Wall Street.

Re: Scientists' proposed calendar synchronizes dates with days

#46

In Malaysia, if holiday falls on Sunday, it'll be "carried forward" to Monday (you still celebrate on Sunday, but Monday will be extra holiday). And in some companies, if holiday falls on Saturday, you get extra 1 day leave entitlement. Now, you can see conflicting interest here, especially between employees and employers :)

Same for the federal government in the US.

Re: Scientists' proposed calendar synchronizes dates with days

#47
So in a matter of a few thousand years we have gone from Emperors (Caesar) dictating calendars to scientists proposing new ones. :)

These type of reforms were quiet popular in the beginning of the 20th century. E.g. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_Calendar

Had this proposal been suggested a century ago. I would have a good feeling it would have been made a reality since it doesn't interfere with a 7 day work weak.

Today with computers, it isn't really necessary. Anyone is able to check when July 1st will be in 2500 without calculating. So it is not likely to gain to much interest except in by theorists.

This proposal introduces an artificial calendar that is neither solar or lunar but realigns every few years. It is quiet a novel idea.

The Jews did similar engineering in their calendar system. The rabbis did not want some holidays to fall out on certain days of the week because of varied reasons. So they engineered rules for the leap years and new months to happen in a pattern to prevent this.

The Jewish calendar is lunar but realigns itself with the solar calendar. It need to be certain Jewish holidays always accure in the same season.

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#48

From another point of view, a given date gradually occurring on every day of the week is a feature, not a bug. I see that the proposed calendar puts my birthday on a weekend, every year year after year, but I kind of like my birthday (and my wedding anniversary, and other important dates) occurring on a new day of the week each year, for variety. I note too that the calendar would not "make it easy to plan annual act…

that "new memory load" is functionally zero, since no one would have to remember that. By the time the Extra week actually arrived, people would have been looking forward to it for an entire year, and it would not catch anyone by surprise. No memory required. Even subterranean cave trolls would be aware it is coming.

I think it's a nice idea especially if we could have a big weeklong worldwide party once every 5 or 6 years

Re: Scientists' proposed calendar synchronizes dates with days

#49
All I can think of is xkcd 927 ( http://xkcd.com/927/ )

There are already lots of calendars if one cares to look. Why bother with a 7 day week other than the biblical mandate? Why not use a lunar calendar? It would certainly simplify 'calculating' Easter. Having a leap day is a lot less intrusive than a leap week and does anyone actually bother to memorize the Metonic cycle? Is it because lunisolar calendars are uncommon or because they're a pain or both?

I think having timezones benefits us in the sense that we can say "It is lunch in city A when it is dinner in city B". Knowing when people are likely to be sleeping/working/playing in different places helps more than having One Timezone. Pilots use UTC because they're between timezones too much for them to follow a 'standard' schedule according to our approximations of the Sun's movements.

Re: Scientists' proposed calendar synchronizes dates with days

#50

I like this idea. Unfortunately, it can't coexist with the Gregorian calendar in its current form; if a small fraction of the world switched to it, they'd always have to wonder which calendar someone writing "Jan 1" was referring to. When a date is written down, it needs to be immediately obvious which calendar it's referring to. It needs a special notation that doesn't overlap with any of the currently-used notation…

It seems silly they didn't just drop the concept of months and just refer to everything like the 5th Monday.
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