> Six months before Rajpopat made his discovery, his supervisor at Cambridge, Vincenzo Vergiani, Professor of Sanskrit, gave him some prescient advice: "If the solution is complicated, you are probably wrong." > Rajpopat said, "I had a eureka moment in Cambridge. After 9 months trying to crack this problem, I was almost ready to quit, I was getting nowhere. So I closed the books for a month and just enjoyed the summe…
In general, for complicated items, I prefer to code at one place and think at another place. They seems to require different parts of your brain, and have different 'comfortable spots'.
Ancient grammatical puzzle solved after 2,500 years
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#42As an Indian, Rajpopat’s this comment struck a chord - > Some of the most ancient wisdom of India has been produced in Sanskrit and we still don't fully understand what our ancestors achieved. We've often been led to believe that we're not important, that we haven't brought enough to the table. I hope this discovery will infuse students in India with confidence, pride, and hope that they too can achieve great things.…
https://www.indiatimes.com/technology/11-ancient-inventions-...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_inventions_and_...
Even in the modern era, the country has done tons of important research especially in medical fields.
This is also disregarding the work of Indians who did a ton of amazing research outside India.
But otherwise, if your question is why they haven’t contributed as much in a relative sense versus western countries, maybe you’ve forgotten, but India has been subjugated for many centuries, under various rules. The Mughals, the British, the Dutch, etc…
It’s one of the youngest countries today if you count from when it gained freedom. It took many decades for it to be financially stable and regain much of the infrastructure needed to compete with the west.
So as an Indian myself, I’d urge you to put your countries history in context instead of putting it to some ancient texts locking it away.
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#43Makes me wonder whether e.g. Hindu has grammatical cases/righ inflection.
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#44Shameless plug for my talk on the influence of the classical Indian tradition on Western Linguistics & Natural Language Processing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPl17qiaARM
Out of curiosity, how does this new understanding of his texts affect your own research and talk?
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well there are a lot of polymaths though, Newton really is not that special. von Neumann, Feynman, Ben Franklin, Steve Jobs etc come to mind.
Jobs does not deserve any mention among those other people. Jobs was a leader (tyrant by many accounts) and didn’t advance or discover anything?
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#46> Six months before Rajpopat made his discovery, his supervisor at Cambridge, Vincenzo Vergiani, Professor of Sanskrit, gave him some prescient advice: "If the solution is complicated, you are probably wrong." > Rajpopat said, "I had a eureka moment in Cambridge. After 9 months trying to crack this problem, I was almost ready to quit, I was getting nowhere. So I closed the books for a month and just enjoyed the summe…
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#47Can someone attempt to ELI5/provide more context for why "always choose the right" eluded scholars for so long?
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#48>Rajpopat said, "Computer scientists working on natural language processing gave up on rule-based approaches over 50 years ago... So teaching computers how to combine the speaker's intention with Pāṇini's rule-based grammar to produce human speech would be a major milestone in the history of human interaction with machines, as well as in India's intellectual history." So... a 2500 year algorithm would be running on a…
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#49> Six months before Rajpopat made his discovery, his supervisor at Cambridge, Vincenzo Vergiani, Professor of Sanskrit, gave him some prescient advice: "If the solution is complicated, you are probably wrong." > Rajpopat said, "I had a eureka moment in Cambridge. After 9 months trying to crack this problem, I was almost ready to quit, I was getting nowhere. So I closed the books for a month and just enjoyed the summe…
Is there a specific term for this subconscious phenomenon? I believe I have experienced this multiple times, but I remember one event in particular when I couldn't solve a book exercise for several hours, I slept in frustration. When I woke up I knew the answer immediately as if it was obvious.
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#50Then Panini came along and analyzed the language in a way never before done (perhaps in any language), and in doing so also forced the language into a rigid system of derivational rules from which it never emerged again. In the process, a great number of irregular forms and usages were expunged from the language, and the subjunctive and injunctive moods [1] ceased to exist entirely. Many words that once had a variety of pronunciations got standardized to "thematic" forms. Thus the language came to be known as "samskrta", which literally means "well-done" or "perfected".
He probably did this because he was trying to preserve the language of the scriptures for scholars because the common-speak that people used in their day to day lives even in 500BC was already changing rapidly enough for him to notice. By constraining the language he ended up preserving it in a way that it could be studied methodically for thousands of years, albeit in a grammatically sterilized form compared to what it was.
1. https://web.stanford.edu/~kiparsky/Papers/injunctive.article...