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Breaking up with JavaScript front ends

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Re: Breaking up with JavaScript front ends

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Post by simonw »

What's the accessibility story for Unpoly?

I'm always interested in ways of building partial page fetches, dropdown menus etc in a way that is thoroughly tested to work well with common screenreaders.

I'd love to see a frontend framework that includes detailed documentation (and ideally video demos) demonstrating how effective their ARIA screenreader stuff is.

Re: Breaking up with JavaScript front ends

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Post by ncr100 »

spritefs wrote: post #36

> We're breaking up with JavaScript front ends > Site doesn't load properly with javascript disabled They should put their money where their mouth is

Maybe this is an abandoned site?

- Site does not support HTTPS https://triskweline.de/unpoly-rugb/#/ => breaks

Re: Breaking up with JavaScript front ends

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Post by jokoon »

Why can't anybody talk about the fact that HTML was not designed for being dynamic?

Isn't there any format that is a real alternative to HTML, which is truly interactive, lighter than the DOM, use text as a mediu, is multi usage and platform agnostic, can use whatever scripting language, and be easily rendered?

It's not another new format, it's just that a new format is needed to make things simpler.

I have zero patience when it comes to learn angular and its framework model thing. I don't want framework, I want formats and protocols.

I don't even know gopher but something new and fresh and different is really needed. Maybe as long as it's used in a controlled environment for internal/pro software.

Re: Breaking up with JavaScript front ends

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Post by cldellow »

xutopia wrote: post #25

While I don't know that I'd go that route to build my own thing when Rails 7 already has turbo_streams and Stimulus I understand wholeheartedly why they'd move away from SPA-for-everything. I can't help but feel that the whole industry is under the spell of React and other single page application frameworks and use them even if other ways would have been faster to build, cheaper to maintain and less complex.

It's worth noting that this presentation is from July 2016, and Rails 7 was released in December 2021.

Re: Breaking up with JavaScript front ends

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Post by francisofascii »

> Looking for developers to maintain 150K lines of Angular 1.5 and 7000 abandoned npm packages.

I completely get that reason. Any front-end framework app is on live support in a few years. It feels like the equivalent of buying a cheap refrigerator that will break in 4 years, that is easier to get a new one rather than try to fix the old one.

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