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Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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How can you tell that someone is shadowbanned?

All their comments are dead

if part of the way the shadowban works is that the banee isn't alerted, why are you alerting them which works against "the system"?

Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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FWIW, I have a few thousand hours flying jet fighters and have hit rather large birds at high speed (me, not them), and have been hit by rather large caliber bullets (I assume also at high speed). From the two videos, taken at two locations, I cannot positively id a drone. What is described as a sudden altitude change in the second video doesn't look like anything in the first video, though it's mostly blocked by the…

Any advice for a aspiring fighter jet pilot? (goal is to eventually fly an L39 Albatross)

If you're talking civilian, then about all I could recommend is to take your time and let the experience build instead of trying to do too much at once. Most civilian pilots I know that have learned to fly fast jets tend to have to cram all their training into limited free time, and that makes it harder to keep a consistent training attitude. the military of course has a very formal and long tested training process, and while they've introduced a lot of technology in the last decade to try to shorten that time, it's still done under the supervision of well experienced and qualified instructors training consistently on familiar equipment, so in a way it's "easier" or at least easier to maintain a good focus

Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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FWIW, I have a few thousand hours flying jet fighters and have hit rather large birds at high speed (me, not them), and have been hit by rather large caliber bullets (I assume also at high speed). From the two videos, taken at two locations, I cannot positively id a drone. What is described as a sudden altitude change in the second video doesn't look like anything in the first video, though it's mostly blocked by the…

Ah the casual 'my jet fighter has been hit by rather large calibre bullets'

Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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post #42

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Any advice for a aspiring fighter jet pilot? (goal is to eventually fly an L39 Albatross)

If you're talking civilian, then about all I could recommend is to take your time and let the experience build instead of trying to do too much at once. Most civilian pilots I know that have learned to fly fast jets tend to have to cram all their training into limited free time, and that makes it harder to keep a consistent training attitude. the military of course has a very formal and long tested training process,…

Yep, civilian.

How many hours of training did you receive before flying without a more senior pilot with you? The L39 type rating requirement is a thousand hours but it won't be in the jet itself. I plan to do aerobatic training and everything but last I checked the Jet Warbird Training Center program was under 20 hours over a few days which terrifies me. Is that really enough training?

Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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? Either you don't know what GA aircraft entails, or you've got a real misconception of the size of a drone compared to a bird.

Well, I've hit birds with wingspans around a dozen feet (didn't go measure). They make a mess, and have killed people I knew, but that was mostly because of their size and the penetration of the windscreen. Hitting a smaller object could certainly cause some damage but it wouldn't likely be immediate and catastrophic unless it was in a critical spot.

> unless it was in a critical spot

Which is where most strikes occur. Low speed (relative for an aircraft) and low altitude.

A bird hitting the prop, sucked into an engine, tail strike, windscreen, etc... all can be devastating for any aircraft, be it GA or commercial.

A drone strike isn't somehow going to be better for the aircraft...

Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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> Hitting a drone is your worst nightmare while piloting small aircraft A small GA aircraft hitting a drone has a very high fatality chance, particularly in the stages of flight most likely to encounter amateur drone operators (ie. takeoff and landing).

A swan can weigh 8 kilos, a goose can weigh 6, and DJi phantom weighs 1.2 kilos. Multiple planes crashed with fatalities vecause of birds, as far as I am aware none have done so because of a drone. The fear of drones had led to pilots reporting drone sightings at 10,000 feet in the middle of the Ocean, thousands of miles from shore. "Several commenters noted that the AMA analyzed those reported ‘incidents’ and found…

What's the point you're trying to make? Just because we don't yet have a confirmed kill from a DJI Phantom means it's impossible?

We do have confirmed strikes from drones, and the damage has been devastating. We do have confirmed strikes with fatalities from birds. There is not much difference between a bird and a drone when an aircraft strikes it at speed...

These drones are often operated by folks with zero training and zero deference for the law or aviation safety (highlighted by the fact they're operating near an airport). It's just a matter of time... if it hasn't already happened right here in this Dallas incident.

Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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post #16

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> Hitting a drone is your worst nightmare while piloting small aircraft A small GA aircraft hitting a drone has a very high fatality chance, particularly in the stages of flight most likely to encounter amateur drone operators (ie. takeoff and landing).

A swan can weigh 8 kilos, a goose can weigh 6, and DJi phantom weighs 1.2 kilos. Multiple planes crashed with fatalities vecause of birds, as far as I am aware none have done so because of a drone. The fear of drones had led to pilots reporting drone sightings at 10,000 feet in the middle of the Ocean, thousands of miles from shore. "Several commenters noted that the AMA analyzed those reported ‘incidents’ and found…

It’s also kind of insulting to those of us who go out of our way to safely fly drones recreationally. More and more drones you purchase today have built-in GPS transponders. I’m notified when airplanes are nearby even at altitudes I can’t reach, and I can tell you what kind of air space I’m in easily. I’m registered with the FAA as required, and I’ve taken more safety courses than I need, mostly because I wouldn’t mind getting my part 107.

I tell everyone these things are not for kids, especially the $1K+ drones capable of high altitudes and speeds. If you go online and find a video of someone doing something stupid, you’ll find an army of enthusiasts telling them so in the comments because they want to preserve the hobby.

Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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> Hitting a drone is your worst nightmare while piloting small aircraft A small GA aircraft hitting a drone has a very high fatality chance, particularly in the stages of flight most likely to encounter amateur drone operators (ie. takeoff and landing).

Can you source this? I can't find any information on fatalities due to aircraft-drone collisions, topic of this article notwithstanding.

You don't need a source. An object striking an aircraft in flight is devastating, and can be very fatal. Just because the object was made in China vs. hatched out of an egg doesn't really matter... the results will be the same.

Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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? Either you don't know what GA aircraft entails, or you've got a real misconception of the size of a drone compared to a bird.

Well, I've hit birds with wingspans around a dozen feet (didn't go measure). They make a mess, and have killed people I knew, but that was mostly because of their size and the penetration of the windscreen. Hitting a smaller object could certainly cause some damage but it wouldn't likely be immediate and catastrophic unless it was in a critical spot.

> birds with wingspans around a dozen feet

Albatross or pelican?

I think 12.1 feet is the world record.

Re: Dallas midair tragedy: New videos show startling change in flight path of p-63

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Most (practically all) aircraft do not have bullet-proof windshields (including military), for starters, and secondly a several pound meat ball travelling at closing speeds anywhere between 60kts (GA) to 200+ kts (jets/airliners/mil) is going to do a number on the aircraft regardless if it incapacitated the pilot. Doubly-so if it's a several pound metal ball... You don't want to hit anything in an aircraft, ever.

Bulletproof windshields were very common during this period, although 43-11719 doesn't appear to have been fitted with one, likely because the F variant never advanced beyond the prototype stage. https://warbirdsnews.com/warbird-restorations/caf-bell-p-63f...

I may have missed it, but I don't see anywhere in that linked article that mentions bullet proof windscreens... and Wikipedia for the aircraft also makes no mention. Plus, we're not just talking about this particular aircraft in this incident, but generally all aircraft.

But, I would not be surprised it was tried, particularly with WWII era machines. There's very little actual benefit to having one on any aircraft, even CAS aircraft. A modernly restored version meant for airshows and racing probably would have replaced it for something more modern and lighter weight.

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