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Re: The “Oscar movie” is dying

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"The Favorite" won best picture, director and original screenplay in 2019, and it's the first film in a long time a worthy film took the accolades. "The Favorite" is a black comedy and totally not the type of film you describe. I was astonished it did so well.

If you’re talking about the Oscars and “The Favourite“ it won (a different) one.

I misread the wiki, you're right. The Favorite was nominated for 10 awards, it won only for Best actress.

Re: The “Oscar movie” is dying

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As an actor myself, I find that the Oscar bait is often the "Academy Award for the Most Acting". It has become a cliche that you seek an Oscar by playing a highly damaged character with obvious quirks. More subtle performances are usually passed over, even though I consider them more challenging. They're often nominated, but rarely win. Which is fine, since those kinds of films are usually not going to attract big au…

Rare to find a fellow actor on HN :) You don't have contact details on your profile, but I do - would be interesting in knowing more!

I'm just an amateur, and I only do local theater. I'm very glad to be able to do programming for a living so that I can do theater the way I want to do theater, rather than having my dinner depend on whether I win an audition against long odds. It sounds like a terrible way to suck the joy out of the craft.

I have nonetheless helped a few actors build minor careers. Despite the fact that my main advice is "don't".

Re: The “Oscar movie” is dying

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The ability to pause, rewind and get up to go to the bathroom changes the experience for the worse. You just don't have to get serious about watching a movie anymore. You don't have to prepare to settle down, be quiet, and focus.

> The ability to pause, rewind and get up to go to the bathroom changes the experience for the worse. You just don't have to get serious about watching a movie anymore. You don't have to prepare to settle down, be quiet, and focus. I disagree. Nothing is stopping anyone from staying at home and acting like they're in a theater. If that's what you really value you can choose to just ignore any important dialog that yo…

"Nothing is stopping anyone from staying at home and acting like they're in a theater"

This is incorrect. The temptation to use the deleterious conveniences stops me. Going to the theater forces me into a certain posture.

Re: The “Oscar movie” is dying

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I kinda stopped reading where it started to equate a movie's box office revenue with its success. A successful movie is a movie that entertains its audience, not one that makes a few people rich. The correlation is there, but it's weak.

I don't consider it problematic to see movie theaters go out of fashion and movie makers take a deeper look at what makes their art an art.

Re: The “Oscar movie” is dying

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There never were Oscar movies. Maybe for the first or second, but now it's just a good-boy's club of who was a good-boy this year.

I'd disagree. There are a few (or more?) actors, directors and producers that make movies solely for receiving the Oscar nomination/win. One example is "The Deer Hunter".

Note, on looking into provide specifics, this came up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_bait

Re: The “Oscar movie” is dying

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Going to the movies was always a habit left over from an earlier time. Of course when all you have is a standard definition tube TV and VHS movies, going to see something on the big screen is exciting. But nowadays, large 4K HDR TV's are cheap now, and you can get almost everything on streaming. Covid really hit the big reset button and made people question a lot of their habits, including still going to movie theate…

Like many others, there's a lot of reason still, today, to go sit down in a dark theater after spending $15 on a ticket.

Yeah, we have large 4K HDR TVs, but they aren't as large as what's down at my local movie theater. I have a decent sound system in my house, but it's not as loud or tuned as nicely as what's in that theater. Being able to see a film on a large screen is still a unique experience that very few people can truly replicate at home. I still love that experience as it provides a much more immersive way to experience a movie. Certain movies I think require that kind of screen and sound to work properly.

Plus, depending on the movie, the energy in the room of a packed movie theater also plays into that experience. Personally, I am willing to spend that $15 for a ticket to support the kind of films I want to see as well. I feel like I'm throwing a few bucks at the director and saying, thanks for making this, I appreciate it.

(I'm the kind of person who still has a large physical media collection, buys blurays, 4K blurays, etc.)

Re: The “Oscar movie” is dying

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I would think film criticism is dying as well. Was there a true successor to Ebert? When I think of film criticism now I think of YouTube reviews and not writers who eloquently describe what makes a good movie good.

Mr Plinkett is not everyone's cup of tea for various reasons. But it does some deep dives into some key movies.

The rlm guys are very insightful and have great taste in movies. I think the difference is that they do a great job explaining why a movie is entertaining while Ebert was great at explaining why a movie is art.

Re: The “Oscar movie” is dying

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There never were Oscar movies. Maybe for the first or second, but now it's just a good-boy's club of who was a good-boy this year.

I'd disagree. There are a few (or more?) actors, directors and producers that make movies solely for receiving the Oscar nomination/win. One example is "The Deer Hunter". Note, on looking into provide specifics, this came up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_bait

I can't tell from the summary and have not read IMDB to follow the timelines, but it appears that the Deer Hunter had already been made, but flopped in initial screenings, so they held it back and instead of an initial wide release they showed it to critics who loved it and got it nominated. In other words it wasn't initially made-to-order to cater to an Oscar, but ex-post did it that way because initial audiences hated it.

Re: The “Oscar movie” is dying

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I would think film criticism is dying as well. Was there a true successor to Ebert? When I think of film criticism now I think of YouTube reviews and not writers who eloquently describe what makes a good movie good.

Mr Plinkett is not everyone's cup of tea for various reasons. But it does some deep dives into some key movies.

Part of the joke with Mr Plinkett is nobody sane would do the sort of "deep dive" he is doing. It's not really meant to be an example of film criticism at its best.

Re: The “Oscar movie” is dying

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Going to the movies was always a habit left over from an earlier time. Of course when all you have is a standard definition tube TV and VHS movies, going to see something on the big screen is exciting. But nowadays, large 4K HDR TV's are cheap now, and you can get almost everything on streaming. Covid really hit the big reset button and made people question a lot of their habits, including still going to movie theate…

The ability to pause, rewind and get up to go to the bathroom changes the experience for the worse. You just don't have to get serious about watching a movie anymore. You don't have to prepare to settle down, be quiet, and focus.

While framing the watching of a movie as "serious" is probably a bit much I do agree that going to the cinema is a great exercise in focus. The whole place is setup for watching movies and when I'm there I feel engrossed in a way that doesn't happen at home for me. At home everything I watch sort of blurs together into a smear of "content". I can think back on the things I've watched and I do have favorites but I don't have the same visceral memories I have for movies I've seen in the theater. I remember where I was, who I was with, and all the feelings the movie conjured up.

It is certainly less convenient than streaming at home and does cost more but I get the same amount (at least) of entertainment in the moment and the memories are certainly more vivid. That has to be worth something?

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