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Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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I'm sure everyone here knows, but just posting to make sure no one misses out. Please don't use Vivaldi. It is a closed source browser [1], and as such we have no way of validating they have not put backdoors, spyware, telemetrics to send private details such as your bank details, website logins, Google account, etc. Stick with open source browsers, who's code is verifiable, especially for something as important as a…

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Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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It's sort of funny how we've come full circle. First there was RSS. People didn't like having an RSS program, so a reader was bundled with the browser. Then social media took over from personal blogs & feeds. With declining use, browsers removed RSS readers. Then federated social media grew. Now browsers are re-bundling clients in the browser. Everything old is new again...

RSS is still around! Most news & blog sites support it, though sometimes you have to go digging in the HTML to find the feed URL. On the client side, I find Feedly to be satisfactory on both desktop & mobile, and they actually have a business model so hopefully they'll stick around. There are of course many other clients, but that's the one that stuck for me.

Hell I opened this very thread from an RSS reader site I host myself. There are dozens of us.

Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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I use Vivaldi as my secondary browser and I like it. I use it because my workplace mandates Google Workspaces. I use it solely for work purposes for 2 main reasons: 1. It has tree tabs and I can't find any other Chrome based browser with Tree tabs 2. Google Meet is 2nd class citizen on Firefox and lacks many features.

What do you find to be missing for Google Meet? Firefox is also my daily driver, and my workplace is heavily into the whole Google ecosystem. Meet seems to be fine enough, but maybe I'm not looking for things that aren't shown to me.

Google meet on FF doesn’t support the video effects like screen blur or advanced filters. At least that was the message I got the last time I tried it.

Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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post #18
post #4

I'm sure everyone here knows, but just posting to make sure no one misses out. Please don't use Vivaldi. It is a closed source browser [1], and as such we have no way of validating they have not put backdoors, spyware, telemetrics to send private details such as your bank details, website logins, Google account, etc. Stick with open source browsers, who's code is verifiable, especially for something as important as a…

In that case, what is the alternative? Chromium is so nice to use it's hard to get away.

Firefox still exists and is still great. So far rumors of its death are greatly exaggerated.

Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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What do you find to be missing for Google Meet? Firefox is also my daily driver, and my workplace is heavily into the whole Google ecosystem. Meet seems to be fine enough, but maybe I'm not looking for things that aren't shown to me.

Google meet on FF doesn’t support the video effects like screen blur or advanced filters. At least that was the message I got the last time I tried it.

Ah, OK. Haven't tried that, mostly camera-off for work.

Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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Remember that Chrome is also closed-source. You can't build Chrome from source, and you can't check whether Google hasn't added anything nefarious on top of Chromium (and they do, at very least the DRM).

imho you should not use chrome either. chrome being the most used browser is bad for the web. (i, myself, use firefox and will never use something else as long as firefox is being updated).

I'm Firefox on everything too.

I also have Chrome installed if it becomes needed, but it really is quite rare that I have to ask it to lumber to life.

Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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post #17
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It's sort of funny how we've come full circle. First there was RSS. People didn't like having an RSS program, so a reader was bundled with the browser. Then social media took over from personal blogs & feeds. With declining use, browsers removed RSS readers. Then federated social media grew. Now browsers are re-bundling clients in the browser. Everything old is new again...

RSS is still around! Most news & blog sites support it, though sometimes you have to go digging in the HTML to find the feed URL. On the client side, I find Feedly to be satisfactory on both desktop & mobile, and they actually have a business model so hopefully they'll stick around. There are of course many other clients, but that's the one that stuck for me.

And, in fact, Mastodon supports RSS

Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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post #4

I'm sure everyone here knows, but just posting to make sure no one misses out. Please don't use Vivaldi. It is a closed source browser [1], and as such we have no way of validating they have not put backdoors, spyware, telemetrics to send private details such as your bank details, website logins, Google account, etc. Stick with open source browsers, who's code is verifiable, especially for something as important as a…

It's a shame it's proprietary, because it's the most configurable and feature rich browser I know of, and the only one that could possibly replace Firefox. As it is, I have it around for the rare things that don't work in Firefox, such as Teams meetings.

Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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Is this still applicable as there are source archives here : https://vivaldi.com/source/ I don't use Vivaldi, and have no interest in the Mastodon for now, but they were smart enough to change their use agent in order to have further compatibility, that actually triggered a market share loss on paper. https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-2-10-no-strings-attached-2/ Would be interested to hear if anyone uses Vivaldi and h…

The source is incomplete, you cannot build the browser from it, it's just there for licence compliance. Anyhow, it's just chrome with extra stuff you can disable (email client? rss reader?) and extra stuff I cannot imagine living without (side panels). https://help.vivaldi.com/desktop/panels/web-panels/ I do not understand why no other browser has the ability to keep a predefined list of pages always open to the side…

A lot of features Vivaldi has are definitely "nice-to-have" level, especially stuff they seemingly put in for fun like Philips Hue integration.

But there are some very functional settings I use that I just miss in every other browser. Most notable for me are:

- extremely (at least relative to Chrome or Firefox) configurable keyboard shortcuts

- easily editable search engines (you have to enable this with an about:config parameter that isn't default -- not that it's turned off by default, but that it's a parameter you have to know about beforehand and add yourself to the list)

And it's Chromium, so you get Chromium extensions such as uBlock Origin, which is why I stuck with it over qutebrowser (which also has configurable keyboard shortcuts) even though it's closed source.

I loved Vivaldi. It has the spirit of Opera, where it's all about giving power users options instead of streamlining them away for UX (which is still an option you can have with Vivaldi!). I use Firefox now -- Manifest v3 was the last straw -- but I lament the loss of configurability in some areas.

Re: Vivaldi integrates Mastodon in its desktop browser

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post #4

I'm sure everyone here knows, but just posting to make sure no one misses out. Please don't use Vivaldi. It is a closed source browser [1], and as such we have no way of validating they have not put backdoors, spyware, telemetrics to send private details such as your bank details, website logins, Google account, etc. Stick with open source browsers, who's code is verifiable, especially for something as important as a…

Is this still applicable as there are source archives here : https://vivaldi.com/source/ I don't use Vivaldi, and have no interest in the Mastodon for now, but they were smart enough to change their use agent in order to have further compatibility, that actually triggered a market share loss on paper. https://vivaldi.com/blog/vivaldi-2-10-no-strings-attached-2/ Would be interested to hear if anyone uses Vivaldi and h…

As I understand it, Vivaldi is Chromium, with a custom chrome UI rendered as a React app run similarly to an extension, but more privileged.

The source they publish there are the changes they made to allow the "extension, but more privileged" clause above.

The React app is closed source.

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