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In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)

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Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)

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Each time this subject comes up I feel moved to repost this article [1]. The welfare of humanity, our species, no longer aligns with the "publishing industry". Brutal, radical reform is now necessary. [1] https://www.timeshighereducation.com/opinion/2048-informatio... (turn off js to view)

> Then came the Covid pandemic and “climate emergency”. What had been a friendly, ideological tussle about the digital rights of scientists versus profiteers took on a new tone. To call it “civil disobedience” would be to miss the point. Universities simply stopped playing the game – and the more progressive governments followed suit by deeming the enforcement of academic publishers’ copyright no longer in the public interest.

So, this didn't happen - and IIANM, there wasn't even a copyright/patent moratorium on vaccine-related IP, right? I seem to recall tussles over where poorer countries would be able to just manufacture copies of the Pfizer, Moderna or Astra-Zeneca vaccine locally, without permission from the IP holders. What ended up happening with that?

Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)

#42

Each time this subject comes up I feel moved to repost this article [1]. The welfare of humanity, our species, no longer aligns with the "publishing industry". Brutal, radical reform is now necessary. [1] https://www.timeshighereducation.com/opinion/2048-informatio... (turn off js to view)

> Then came the Covid pandemic and “climate emergency”. What had been a friendly, ideological tussle about the digital rights of scientists versus profiteers took on a new tone. To call it “civil disobedience” would be to miss the point. Universities simply stopped playing the game – and the more progressive governments followed suit by deeming the enforcement of academic publishers’ copyright no longer in the public…

Companies like Moderna did dispense with IP restrictions around the vaccine, but it turns out that this was never a binding constraint in the first place. These vaccines must essentially be brewed via a biological process, not merely synthesized in a chemical lab like most pharmaceuticals. There's probably a whole lot of fuzzy know-how in this that's inherently hard to replicate, no matter what the legal environment is like.

Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)

#43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i will try to explain my stand. 2005-12. a small "user" from india HAD 0 means to purchase online content. local content in the stores was the same expensive "imported" stuff and TV was the only main means of consuming content. then with internet, i could suddenly go to piratebay and watch any movie or read any book or download any game. talking about "buying using paypal and stuff", INDIANS STILL CANNOT EASILY BUY F…

It's basically "You didn't lose money because I pirated your product, I had no money to begin with". I can relate to this, coming from a poor background. I would've never be where I stand today If I didn't have access to the published material on the internet for free. Also, the prices of scientific papers are atrocious! And that's not even considering the fact that the researchers who wrote the paper and peer review…

See also: game piracy. People who install cracked games are mostly kids, or people who can't afford the game. GabeN was right, piracy is a service problem. Any additional piracy after you solved the service problem was never going to be sales anyway, and now you're just spending money to prevent people from playing your game.

Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)

#44
post #22

I wonder why there isn't a "spotify for books"? We got streaming sites for videos, movies and music, why not a subscription based library?

We do. It's called a library.

With a library, I can't borrow an ebook to my reading device. My country's libraries doesn't really offer ebooks to borrow, my device doesn't support Amazon DRM, and Amazon Unlimited in not available in my region.

So no, we don't have such a thing.

Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)

#45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then came the Covid pandemic and “climate emergency”. What had been a friendly, ideological tussle about the digital rights of scientists versus profiteers took on a new tone. To call it “civil disobedience” would be to miss the point. Universities simply stopped playing the game – and the more progressive governments followed suit by deeming the enforcement of academic publishers’ copyright no longer in the public…

Companies like Moderna did dispense with IP restrictions around the vaccine, but it turns out that this was never a binding constraint in the first place. These vaccines must essentially be brewed via a biological process, not merely synthesized in a chemical lab like most pharmaceuticals. There's probably a whole lot of fuzzy know-how in this that's inherently hard to replicate, no matter what the legal environment…

Reminds me of very small integrated circuit process nodes where the manufacturing process itself is so rife with trade secrets and "art not science" that it's hard to duplicate even without IP restrictions.

Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)

#46
Related: Scihub's hearing before the Indian courts apparently has been moved back to Feb 2023 if I read the first comment correctly at the Reddit thread that is keeping track of the case [0]. The High Court website is non-reachable for me so I cannot confirm.

[0] https://www.reddit.com/r/scihub/comments/lofj0r/announcement...

Edit: Confirmed as URL [1] finally worked.

[1] https://delhihighcourt.nic.in/court/dhc_case_status_list_new...

Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)

#47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then came the Covid pandemic and “climate emergency”. What had been a friendly, ideological tussle about the digital rights of scientists versus profiteers took on a new tone. To call it “civil disobedience” would be to miss the point. Universities simply stopped playing the game – and the more progressive governments followed suit by deeming the enforcement of academic publishers’ copyright no longer in the public…

Companies like Moderna did dispense with IP restrictions around the vaccine, but it turns out that this was never a binding constraint in the first place. These vaccines must essentially be brewed via a biological process, not merely synthesized in a chemical lab like most pharmaceuticals. There's probably a whole lot of fuzzy know-how in this that's inherently hard to replicate, no matter what the legal environment…

I don’t think anything happened at a governmental level, but I know some companies open sourced select patents to help with the pandemic. I vaguely remember an issue with 3D printing ventilator parts because it violated the patent [1], but I don’t think that company ever actually sued anyone, they just threatened it.

1. https://www.techtimes.com/amp/articles/248121/20200317/maker...

Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)

#48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's basically "You didn't lose money because I pirated your product, I had no money to begin with". I can relate to this, coming from a poor background. I would've never be where I stand today If I didn't have access to the published material on the internet for free. Also, the prices of scientific papers are atrocious! And that's not even considering the fact that the researchers who wrote the paper and peer review…

See also: game piracy. People who install cracked games are mostly kids, or people who can't afford the game. GabeN was right, piracy is a service problem. Any additional piracy after you solved the service problem was never going to be sales anyway, and now you're just spending money to prevent people from playing your game.

Of course, some percentage of pirates become sales conversions, as well. I’ve bought plenty of movies and music after pirating it. I know many people like this. True that this is the exception, not the rule, but then we’re back to the “I am only consuming this because it’s free” issue.

Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)

#49
post #32

This google search[0] will provide a list of interesting papers about piracy. They seem generally to support what I think is something like the majority consensus here: - piracy does some harm to sales, especially of new books, but can increase consumer knowledge and therefor increase diversity of sales and sales of older works: "effect of piracy is heterogeneous: piracy decreased the legitimate sales of ongoing comi…

> piracy does considerable harm to large institutes What do you mean by the word "institutes" here? First thing that comes to mind is academic and research institutes, but surely piracy doesn't harm them. So you must mean something else?

Elsevier basically. They are always everyones bogieman. Predatory publishing houses.

But yeah academics love piracy;)

Re: In Solidarity with Library Genesis and Sci-Hub (2015)

#50
post #38

To give them representation, if not right-of-reply, in this forum: https://www.elsevier.com/open-access What part of the contents of the above link is unacceptable ?

Too little too late.

Academics pay through the nose for the right to publish open!

Stick it on the arxive.

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