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The great Covid and smoking cover-up?

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Re: The great Covid and smoking cover-up?

#41

Full disclaimer: I haven't read the article, and am just being a smartass. What if it's because no one wants to get within 2 meters of a smoker anymore :)

I can also believe that the stuff in smoke that kills your lungs could destroy viruses. I think the 'why' is important, given how addictive nicotine is and the fact that you're trading poisons by smoking to avoid covid.

Re: The great Covid and smoking cover-up?

#42
First of all, I didnt really deep dive into it, if those 87 studies really exist.

Some ideas:

1) Smokers go outside more and have more vitamin D which helps against covid?

2) smokers are on average less obese than non smokers? A lot of people smoke in order to cut hunger

3) breaks? To be honest sometimes I wish I smoked

4) fresh air?

5) some sort of mechanism that of the lungs can repair themselves after smoking it also stops the virus?

6) something inside the cigarettes stopping the virus?

The article mentions how smokers reacted better when given nicotine patches, bur doesnt this just mean that their bodies didnt have to fight "two" things at the same time: covid and nicotine withdrawal?

On a side note, were there any real studies if those who died of covid didnt have a co infecfion with something else? Reports that said that in some countries various drugs would work, sounded a bit like each country had their own co infecrions treated by that particular drug.

Re: The great Covid and smoking cover-up?

#43

If this were actually true we would see elites and politicians constantly smoking, since it would be keeping them safer and they have access to infinite resources, knowledge, etc. Instead we see them getting vaccinated (sometimes in secret or with no acknowledgement like Trump did) and guzzling Paxlovid courses (multiple times like Fauci did) if they do get sick. I'm sticking with the pharmaceutical interventions tha…

> sometimes in secret or with no acknowledgement like Trump did

Err, that's not even close to factual. Donald Trump touted the vaccines before they were released, got publicly vaccinated, publicly discussed getting his booster shots, and touted their effectiveness in interviews:

Example: “Look, the results of the vaccine are very good, and if you do get (Covid), it’s a very minor form. People aren’t dying when they take the vaccine,” he said in an interview with The Daily Wire’s Candace Owens that was released Tuesday.

Re: The great Covid and smoking cover-up?

#44

Smoking cover up? Goodness. Let’s assume you’re right and smoking prevents Covid. The answer would be to get everyone to start smoking??? Get everyone hooked on nicotine? If the goal is to prevent Covid, masks are better—they’re cheap, easy, and have no side effects. (Which drives people mad, but imagine telling them to start smoking instead. Actually I could see the anti-maskers firing up a box a day lol).

This is such a horribly immature statement to make. There are many chemicals in cigarettes that can be utilized to either prevent or understand how Covid infects the human body, and what we can do to stop it. The nicotonic receptors are highly utilized by the immune system.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11062-007-0037-2

I’m really getting tired of this lack of creative thought in thinking about health and disease.

Re: The great Covid and smoking cover-up?

#45
post #13

I immediately check out whenever someone says "Google it and see what comes up" as "evidence" proving some conspiracy. Also, this is weird hill to die on. This dude has amassed a mega-blog post with a ton of aggregated studies - it's not a small amount of work. Anecdotally my only family member who regularly smokes just got COVID.

> Anecdotally my only family member who regularly smokes just got COVID. Took nearly 3 years, that's pretty good ;)

They didn't say whether it was their first time getting COVID.

Re: The great Covid and smoking cover-up?

#46
Having read the article and the comments here, I feel like we're missing the main point.

The point of the article wasn't actually about smoking. At least that's not what I took from it.

I also don't think the author is genuinely claiming there's a conspiracy here.

Instead, what I took from it, is that being a scientist does not mean you're immune to prejudicial opinion, and that the scientific community is not immune to its own dogmas.

In theory, the scientific method should resolve that. But in practice, scientists (including the medical community) are just as apt as anyone to want to confirm their biases and dismiss difficult evidence.

I also think when it comes to anything involving public policy, things can quickly devolve to no longer being about scientific inquiry but rather about supporting or attacking positions.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the author just wants everyone to start smoking and stop listening to their doctors. But that's not how it came across to me.

I think it's more a call for critical thinking and fairness. Just because an issue has been politicized, doesn't mean we should pick a side.

For what it's worth, I'm opposed to smoking and and supportive of vaccines. But if the day comes where there is strong evidence to suggest switching positions on that, I'd like to think I'll be open minded enough to do so.

Final point, briefly touched on in the article: Nicotine deserves more research. Almost all research on nicotine is in terms of smoking tobacco. Nicotine on its own could very well prove to be an important medical drug.

Same for all drugs... THC, CBD, whatever the active substance in cocaine and heroin are. They should all be studies rigorously and without moral judgment.

Re: The great Covid and smoking cover-up?

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This story is trying way too hard to be controversial, starting with the incorrect claim that “back then Big Tech’s fact-checkers were still describing claims about SARS-CoV-2 being airborne and face masks preventing infection as ‘misleading’”. His recounting of his personal Google search results is an amusing anecdote but it’s just showing his search history - the same search without a Google cookie turns up a coupl…

> the incorrect claim that “back then Big Tech’s fact-checkers were still describing claims about SARS-CoV-2 being airborne and face masks preventing infection as ‘misleading’”.

This is a not an incorrect claim, it is a correct claim.

Re: The great Covid and smoking cover-up?

#49

[Snopes]( https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/05/07/does-nicotine-protect... ) - from 2020, but unbiased, at least > The researchers have proposed nicotine attaches to the ACE2 receptors, thereby preventing the virus from attaching and potentially reducing the amount of virus that can get into a person’s lung cells. As for potential bias: > Further, around 60% of the hospitalised patients in the study were ex-smokers (s…

>but unbiased, at least It's Snopes. No such thing. They sold their credibility for a mess of money and political activism. No refunds.

> They sold their credibility for a mess of money and political activism

Can you provide any additional details, references, and/or specific examples?

I haven't used snopes in a long while, but was impressed at the time, particularly that they always sited references, exploring both sides of an issue. I always came away feeling better informed. But I'm open to changing my opinion if there is justification to do so.

Re: The great Covid and smoking cover-up?

#50

[Snopes]( https://www.snopes.com/news/2020/05/07/does-nicotine-protect... ) - from 2020, but unbiased, at least > The researchers have proposed nicotine attaches to the ACE2 receptors, thereby preventing the virus from attaching and potentially reducing the amount of virus that can get into a person’s lung cells. As for potential bias: > Further, around 60% of the hospitalised patients in the study were ex-smokers (s…

>but unbiased, at least It's Snopes. No such thing. They sold their credibility for a mess of money and political activism. No refunds.

News to me - credible link please.
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