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Re: The Twitter Files

#41
Anyone have the 'long form' of this to read? Twitter is such a terrible way to read long content.

Aside: I really enjoyed Taibbi's few books, but haven't respected his online opinions since around 2016. I'm not surprised Elon chose Taibbi to 'break this story' considering what 'side' Taibbi's been on -- he's had a pretty clear bias, but I'm willing to check out more of his reporting here in long form.

Re: The Twitter Files

#42

Interesting to highlight that there was actually some structured internal back & forth about content moderation which was amenable to improvement. This was then completely replaced by the "Musk Himself" Content Moderation Engine. https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/15988307309638451...

Your link does not support your assertions

Re: The Twitter Files

#43
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love drama and chaos as much as any nerd with too much time on their hands… but this story has not a single compelling nugget to it. Like, the tweets so far are so un-juicy that I would like to ensure this doesn’t ever go to the frontpage so nobody else wastes their time reading this boring non-story. I wish it was worth reading.

I feel like it might be of relevance to the hacker community in what way social media companies attempt to shape our views and opinions. The mere fact that this may be seen as targeted at one party or another really shouldn't matter (I'm not American and so luckily don't have to choose between Democrats/Republicans, as I find them both pretty dreadful - Republicans more so.) But the extent to which political parties…

The hacker culture of the 90s and 00s is dead.

Many in the community now fully support censorship as long as it's of the opposing team.

This would be unheard of 20 years ago.

Re: The Twitter Files

#46
I don't follow or give attention to American politics, I don't live in America, and probably never will.

But the Left bias in Social media is extremely concerning, its so apparent from the type of people who work in tech, especially in Silicon valley, that they have a Leftist bias, whether the Left or the Right are correct doesn’t matter.

The issue is Social media in our time is it’s where a lot of people form opinions, follow news coverage, and basically inform themselves about the world.

Instead of it just being a impartial medium, it actively controls and narrates the conversation.

before Social media (IMO) no conversational medium strived to control and influence the conversation itself.

the coffee shop didn’t really pay attention to what you said(with exceptions of course) they just cared that you ordered something.

In a family gathering the medium itself doesn’t influence the conversation, your family members do.

And when People go to complain about this, Left-leaning tech workers will just say “don’t be mean”, or don’t break the rules, I doubt their reaction would be the same if Social media was more right leaning, heck Left-leaning journalists are already trying to dismiss the story as nothing important, while it’s the first known proof of political leaning affecting moderation by going beyond the rules.

the Hunter Biden laptop story should’ve been much bigger, and downplaying the affect social media censorship had on it, is just lying.

Its a problem and I don’t know the solution either, is it creating a new type of classification that forces Social networks to act as an impartial communication medium? Is it creating a public social media for each country?, almost nobody knows, but acknowledging the problem is a first step.

(Please don’t go into a flame war about American politics, this is a conversations about Social media political leanings, not American politics)

Re: The Twitter Files

#47
post #16

I'm a moderate, not a Democrat and not a Republican. I think people on the left have a blind spot here, that the more suppression they use, the more division they create, and the more moderates and people on the right grow to resent them. I would have identified as a Democrat on pretty much every issue, but this authoritarian suppression of speech and ideas has just pushed me away from that side completely. At this p…

If this issue is the sticking point given the other differences in platform (many that involve fundamental rights and freedoms), then it sounds like Republicans have managed to find a good new wedge issue (you not voting is a known part of their playbook).

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#48

I don't follow or give attention to American politics, I don't live in America, and probably never will. But the Left bias in Social media is extremely concerning, its so apparent from the type of people who work in tech, especially in Silicon valley, that they have a Leftist bias, whether the Left or the Right are correct doesn’t matter. The issue is Social media in our time is it’s where a lot of people form opinio…

Why should it have been a bigger story exactly? My understanding is there wasn't any wrongdoing found (not to mention the chain of custody was a mess).

Re: The Twitter Files

#49

I don't follow or give attention to American politics, I don't live in America, and probably never will. But the Left bias in Social media is extremely concerning, its so apparent from the type of people who work in tech, especially in Silicon valley, that they have a Leftist bias, whether the Left or the Right are correct doesn’t matter. The issue is Social media in our time is it’s where a lot of people form opinio…

Here’s the thing thought. So far the emails show a team making a mistake, and being thoughtful about it. Trying to look to their moderation principals and disagreeing about the path forward. Then, later we know Jack and Yoel and most of the team apologized and admitted it was a mistake.

If these people were all conservatives and I saw this interaction I would say the same thing. So tell me a story about principals that apply universally that should make me more concerned.

> the hunter biden laptop story should have been a much bigger story.

Should it? This is the most Barbara Streisanded news story in history; There have been two years of investigations and nothing has come of it. Maybe it was just a nothingburger that also happened to have been handled by Twitter badly. Even Matt taibbi said that the suspression was a bigger story than the original article.

Re: The Twitter Files

#50

I am fully prepared for folks on the left to pretend this is a non-issue / not important. The probability that they consider this an abuse of power is zero.

Abuse of power by whom? Twitter or the Government?

The head of legal at of a publicly traded corporation acting without knowledge of the CEO to suppress a story about a presidential candidates son, while other internal executives argue in writing if they even have the legal/policy grounds to do so - Ive spent decades in corporations and I can think of few more obvious abuses of power.

If you can see the scam, great.

If you cannot then I cannot help you.

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