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Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by maximusprime » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 4:46 PM UTC

revscat wrote: post #36

maximusprime wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does "Open Internet" mean though? You can't reasonably support free speech in all instances, just like you can't reasonably support an "open internet" in all instances. There have to be some exceptions. It's the listing of those exceptions and how you deal with them that's the tricky bit. So saying "I support an open internet" is just ignoring the issue.

My list of what should be legally restricted in its availability is as follows: 1) Child pornography End list. National security is not enough of a reason for restrictions. Copyright is not enough of a reason. Further, the assumption that corporations or governments have exclusive moral authority to determine what constitutes impermissible material is, frankly, ridiculous. Giving them the authority to make such decis…

I would personally add

2) Websites that are known for mallware, phishing, or otherwise going to mess you up.

As I said I don't know if SOPA is good/bad, but my point was that "I support an Open Internet" is a bit of a cop out.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by thebigshane » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 4:46 PM UTC

jonursenbach wrote: post #23

gravitronic wrote: post #4

alternate: use godaddy, but only their loss-leading coupons when they appear. For example, I registered a domain last week using a code that got me $1.00 domain registration. The code expired last week unfortunately so posting it would be irrelevant.

Why even support them at all?

The purpose of loss-leading products/services is to get consumers to purchase other things and that is where they make a profit. If a large enough group only purchases loss-leading products/services and don't purchase anything else, GoDaddy should be at a loss.... until they change their pricing models, and then you can just boycott them all together.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by seles » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 4:47 PM UTC

I have been using GoDaddy for years. I'm just using it for a simple webpage+domain hosting and email. It works but I'm probably being overcharged since I don't bother with coupons. I have always been annoyed about the privacy complaints I've seen about them, but never cared enough to switch. Now I do care enough to switch, thanks.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by DanBC » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 4:48 PM UTC

maximusprime wrote: post #33

praptak wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can't reasonably support an "open internet" in all instances. There have to be some exceptions. Why? I am fine with the internet not blocking anything at all, even though I accept limits on free speech. To drag the "speech" analogy further, I can shout whatever I want and I'm ok with the fact that in some cases this can bring consequences.

So if a company starts infringing trademarks, polluting search engines en masse, tricking people into buying their rubbish, phishing their details, getting credit card details etc, you'd be fine with that? What about people who DDoS attack you? Is that fine? No need to have any recourse there? How about those that hack DNS to dupe people into visiting their site etc Those are all "Open Internet", but they're also not…

> No need to have any recourse there?

I'm not sure why you'd say that, when the parent says

> and I'm ok with the fact that in some cases this can bring consequences.

Bad stuff happens on the Internet. People need a way to stop that bad stuff happening. SOPA is not that way.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by jinushaun » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 4:48 PM UTC

dmerfield wrote: post #19

Serious question: Has anyone in the HN community actually bought anything from GoDaddy? I find it difficult to imagine that any HN reader would. Was there ever an era when GoDaddy's reputation and service were respectable?

You're forgetting the people and companies that bought domains back in the early 2000s who now have dozens or hundreds of domains on GoDaddy. People stay because it's easier than transferring. A lot of people still use them even for new domains because they're still the cheapest game in town.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by drzaiusapelord » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 4:48 PM UTC

citricsquid wrote: post #2

To put it frankly, godaddy don't give a shit. Their domain business exists as a way to get people into their other products, hosting, whois privacy etc. the ones that actually make money (nobody makes money on domains nowadays, savvy customers use coupons which godaddy provides a lot of). This won't do anything to Godaddy as a business, they'll be losing customers they don't care about -- unless people shutting off t…

I'm skeptical of this claim. Registrars pay ICANN something like 7 cents a year per domain and they resell for $10+. That's a nice chunk of change there. Toss in SSL certs for at least that much, you're probably making decent money just on these alone. The hosting and other crap is just more services. I'd say low-end hosting is the loss leader here. Its a commodity industry.

I personally don't use them because I find their advertising extremely distasteful and find the UI to be worse than anything AOL has done in the 1990s.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by absconditus » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 4:50 PM UTC

dmerfield wrote: post #19

Serious question: Has anyone in the HN community actually bought anything from GoDaddy? I find it difficult to imagine that any HN reader would. Was there ever an era when GoDaddy's reputation and service were respectable?

You are giving the HN users too much credit.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by dextorious » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 4:50 PM UTC

revscat wrote: post #36

maximusprime wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does "Open Internet" mean though? You can't reasonably support free speech in all instances, just like you can't reasonably support an "open internet" in all instances. There have to be some exceptions. It's the listing of those exceptions and how you deal with them that's the tricky bit. So saying "I support an open internet" is just ignoring the issue.

My list of what should be legally restricted in its availability is as follows: 1) Child pornography End list. National security is not enough of a reason for restrictions. Copyright is not enough of a reason. Further, the assumption that corporations or governments have exclusive moral authority to determine what constitutes impermissible material is, frankly, ridiculous. Giving them the authority to make such decis…

I would add:

2) SEO tips 3) Get things done technique websites

to that list.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by jinushaun » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 4:50 PM UTC

maximusprime wrote: post #28

jbrechtel wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like you're suggesting apathy instead? To say it's a moot issue because there are technical work arounds is pretty naive. I seriously doubt any major browser would ship with a work around to this...I don't know why you assume they would.

I just think the sky isn't falling that's all. I think the endless posting of articles, protesting, etc etc is a big waste of man hours.

Whether or not the sky falls when SOPA is passed is moot. The hope is that the louder we are, the better chance SOPA has of failing to pass.

Re: GoDaddy supports SOPA, redditor proposes "Move your Domain Day"

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Post by Ein2015 » Thu, Dec 22, 2011, 4:50 PM UTC

maximusprime wrote: post #33

praptak wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> you can't reasonably support an "open internet" in all instances. There have to be some exceptions. Why? I am fine with the internet not blocking anything at all, even though I accept limits on free speech. To drag the "speech" analogy further, I can shout whatever I want and I'm ok with the fact that in some cases this can bring consequences.

So if a company starts infringing trademarks, polluting search engines en masse, tricking people into buying their rubbish, phishing their details, getting credit card details etc, you'd be fine with that? What about people who DDoS attack you? Is that fine? No need to have any recourse there? How about those that hack DNS to dupe people into visiting their site etc Those are all "Open Internet", but they're also not…

"So if a company starts infringing trademarks, polluting search engines en masse, tricking people into buying their rubbish"

eBay? also, already illegal based on trademarks, copyright, etc etc.

"What about people who DDoS attack you? Is that fine? No need to have any recourse there?" "How about those that hack DNS to dupe people into visiting their site etc"

already illegal

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from my understanding, SOPA is more about removing due process than making bad things illegal