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Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by jdmoreira »

Yujf wrote: post #40
jdmoreira wrote: post #13

He takes 30% for his platform, what's the issue with Apple taking 30% for their own platform? Quit the platform if you want. If consumers value Spotify enough they will leave Apple for it (spoiler: They won't)

Apple can ask 30% all they want IMO, as long as they allow side loading. Don't use their app distribution platform? Don't pay their fee. That is how it should work, which is how it does work on android (and yes most companies still use the play store, because it is hard to convince consumers to use another store, but at least the option is there. Also you can not auto update apps installed from outside the play store…

1. Don't buy Apple.

2. What does that have to do with Spotify not wanting to pay IAP fees?

3. Should Spotify also allow you to "sideload" the mp3s you bought from bandcamp into their player?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by bamboozled »

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

No one is stopping you from buying a Linux based phone?

I'm an avid Linux user and an avid Apple user, and I think both systems have their merits.

If I had to have only one it would be Linux.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by howaboutnope »

donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

What really gets me is that even those few people who are in high enough positions in big enough companies to have material benefits from "capturing" customers and making everything "sticky" and as pushy as possible... all of them in turn are customers of dozens, hundreds, thousands of other companies that make their life more complicated than it would need to be, with the same motivation. I would say people, all of us, are having a way worse time than we even know, because we don't have a somewhat sane world to compare to.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by FiddlerClamp »

jdmoreira wrote: post #41
Yujf wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple can ask 30% all they want IMO, as long as they allow side loading. Don't use their app distribution platform? Don't pay their fee. That is how it should work, which is how it does work on android (and yes most companies still use the play store, because it is hard to convince consumers to use another store, but at least the option is there. Also you can not auto update apps installed from outside the play store…

1. Don't buy Apple. 2. What does that have to do with Spotify not wanting to pay IAP fees? 3. Should Spotify also allow you to "sideload" the mp3s you bought from bandcamp into their player?

You can 'sideload' DRM-free MP3s into Spotify on iOS, Android, and desktop: https://support.spotify.com/us/article/local-files/

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by kmbfjr »

donmcronald wrote: post #23
greedo wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The car industry already has subscription services; Volvo, Porsche, Jaguar/Land Rover, Genesis, Nissan, all have subscription plans. Don't like those? Go down to most car dealers and you can get a short term subscription called a lease... Funny how the world hasn't ended because of this. Just go buy an Android phone if you don't like Apple's walled garden.

The car industry is going to change drastically in the next decade and it's going to result in much higher ownership costs, especially for used car buyers. The schemes that are going to ruin ownership for a lot of people are just starting. The manufacturers are all going to start locking features behind subscriptions. Things like heated seats, navigation, phone integration, performance, etc. will be premium features…

You are absolutely correct, and I have no intention of abiding by this new way of vehicle ownership.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by musk_micropenis »

dmitrygr wrote: post #11
donmcronald wrote: post #5

I want the option to control my devices. I don’t understand the arguments that claim Apple needs to rule the device with an iron fist. What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? I want to own my stuff. I want to repair it and I want complete control over it. I think that in 10 years we’ll all have car…

> What problems does it cause to make the locked down experience the default with the option for me to disable that and take control of the device after I buy it? Facebook will demand you use FacebookStore, which will NOT force apps transparency. THAT is the issue!

Has that happened on Android?

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by Daishiman »

jdmoreira wrote: post #41
Yujf wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple can ask 30% all they want IMO, as long as they allow side loading. Don't use their app distribution platform? Don't pay their fee. That is how it should work, which is how it does work on android (and yes most companies still use the play store, because it is hard to convince consumers to use another store, but at least the option is there. Also you can not auto update apps installed from outside the play store…

1. Don't buy Apple. 2. What does that have to do with Spotify not wanting to pay IAP fees? 3. Should Spotify also allow you to "sideload" the mp3s you bought from bandcamp into their player?

"Don't buy Apple" is not actionable advice in a duopoly.

Re: Spotify CEO renews attack on Apple after Musk's salvo

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Post by jvanderbot »

bamboozled wrote: post #43

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Spotify is the last subscription I'll cancel. It's been life changing since it came out.

I never wanted it to curate music for me, I wanted a massive catalog I can summon at will. The fact that it does an ok job at curating lists is just bonus.

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