Fixed? I ran Google Chrome open with 80-100 tabs for 3 WEEKS without anything going wrong. Sunday the 18th I finally closed it and restarted my computer (after 3 weeks of non stop running). Monday I launched the latest build of FireFox and within 30 minutes it crashed. It then crashed again a few hours later. Goodbye FireFox.
I ran Chrome for 4 years (yeah) and closed it today after this news. Started Firefox Aurora and it crashed at opening. Damn. Oh and this is my 3rd post.
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#42I've been running Aurora for a few months. It's been stable and gets the new toys quicker. Some add-ons break on some updates, but the few web dev. add-ons I use are always quick to update. I get questionnaires from time to time, but they don't take long to complete and are a trivial way to contribute to Mozilla. In short, give Aurora a try. It works as my full-time browser.
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#43Fixed? I ran Google Chrome open with 80-100 tabs for 3 WEEKS without anything going wrong. Sunday the 18th I finally closed it and restarted my computer (after 3 weeks of non stop running). Monday I launched the latest build of FireFox and within 30 minutes it crashed. It then crashed again a few hours later. Goodbye FireFox.
I ran Chrome for 4 years (yeah) and closed it today after this news. Started Firefox Aurora and it crashed at opening. Damn. Oh and this is my 3rd post.
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#44Not to discount the work that Mozilla has been doing, but it seems like the "improvement" they added is actually just a workaround for distros that configure filesystems incorrectly. That is, his machine is configured to use an obsolete filesystem (ext3) in a mode with significant performance problems (data=ordered). There are numerous ways that a machine can be mis-configured such that it suffers from poor performan…
I find these statements amusing... As it happens, neither is ext3 an obsolete filesystem (I have many machines using it just fine, thank you, with no intention to migrate to less tested filesystems just because they're "new"), nor "data=ordered" has significant performance problems. More amusing than this just the fact that the filesystem is a bottleneck for a web browser... an application that should be network and…
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
I find these statements amusing... As it happens, neither is ext3 an obsolete filesystem (I have many machines using it just fine, thank you, with no intention to migrate to less tested filesystems just because they're "new"), nor "data=ordered" has significant performance problems. More amusing than this just the fact that the filesystem is a bottleneck for a web browser... an application that should be network and…
Not an opinion about ext3, but "I have many machines using it" does not mean a system is obsolete or not, for obvious reasons. Besides, with companies still running COBOL/FORTRAN software on decades old hardware, what is "obsolete"?
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#46Earlier quoted context omitted.
Absolutely. Most often I catch myself do private browsing in Chrome and 'feel' safer with Firefox. May be my fears are unfounded and yet I do it often.
I like Chrome's "private browsing" mode better than Firefox's though. Mostly because I can have private and non-private windows open at the same time (and they're properly sandboxed from each other).
(assuming you created someotherprofile via Profile Manager - it's dead easy)
(Works on Windows, too)
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#47The main issue with "data=ordered" is not that it imposes a global order, but that if you do block allocations, fsync() requires a journal commit, and the security guarantees behind "data=ordered" require that all newly allocated blocks must be written out before the filesystem-wide journal commit can be allowed to complete. (Ext4 doesn't have this problem because it uses delayed allocation.)
This isn't an issue with other databases such as Oracle, DB2, MySQL, etc. They have no problems running on ext3. This is partially because they don't use fsync() at all. Oracle and DB2 use O_DIRECT to blocks that are allocated once (new blocks are only allocated when the table space file needs to be grown), and MySQL uses fdatasync() to files that aren't constantly being created and destroyed. SqlLite, because it is trying to pretend that it only needs one file, uses many, MANY temporary files which are being constantly created and destroyed. This is not efficient, and is why SQLite has all of these problems, but millions and millions of dollars worth of enterprise servers can use ext3 running on RHEL3, RHEL4, and RHEL5 on Oracle without hitting these issues.
The sad thing is most people like to use SQLite because it doesn't require manual scheme generation, not because it only uses one file. (In fact it doesn't; there are multiple temporary files, some of such must be there in case of an unclean shutdown. So if you copy just the single file after a program crash, you'll screw up the database.) If someone created a lightweight database that uses SQLite's interfaces, but used a single directory to hold all of the database's files, and then didn't constantly copy data back and forth between temporary files which were being constantly created and destroyed, but instead used the storage strategies used by the more sophisticated database systems, the result would work well on ext3, and for all file systems, it would use less data writes, which would save battery usage, SSD write endurance, and many other things. The last time I measured it, Firefox's "awesome bar" was consuming a third of a megabyte of write bandwidth to the disk per click; and it was updating at most a few hundred bytes of data. The rest was all overhead due to the catastrophic inefficiencies of SQLite.
P.S. And if you do implement this, please consider releasing it under the Apache license so I can hopefully convince the Android team to drop SQLite in favor of something that was a bit more written towards performance --- and Android users all over the world will thank you. :-)
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
I like Chrome's "private browsing" mode better than Firefox's though. Mostly because I can have private and non-private windows open at the same time (and they're properly sandboxed from each other).
./firefox -P someotherprofile -no-remote (assuming you created someotherprofile via Profile Manager - it's dead easy) (Works on Windows, too)
edit: I'll note that I don't believe that the parent to this post should be down-voted. It was informative and on-topic.
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#49Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not an opinion about ext3, but "I have many machines using it" does not mean a system is obsolete or not, for obvious reasons. Besides, with companies still running COBOL/FORTRAN software on decades old hardware, what is "obsolete"?
In my opinion, obsolete software is software that is no longer maintained.
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#50Fixed? I ran Google Chrome open with 80-100 tabs for 3 WEEKS without anything going wrong. Sunday the 18th I finally closed it and restarted my computer (after 3 weeks of non stop running). Monday I launched the latest build of FireFox and within 30 minutes it crashed. It then crashed again a few hours later. Goodbye FireFox.