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BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

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#41

This seems to have a glaring flaw in that a fake AI generated person could have a real-world doppelganger, which a tyrannical government could mistakenly arrest, or worse.

A real person can also have a real-world doppelganger. In fact, isn't this just as likely as an AI generated person having one, maybe even more? So doing this swap didn't really change anything when it comes to "innocent" people getting targeted?

Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

#42

This seems to have a glaring flaw in that a fake AI generated person could have a real-world doppelganger, which a tyrannical government could mistakenly arrest, or worse.

Seems like a publicity stunt. A face covering would cost nothing and achieve the end goal of hiding their identity.

This solves multiple goals: hide identity, show anon-source exists, and show facial emotions to viewers.

The latter is a huge win for making media people want to watch. Same reason all those cable stations segment the screen into four with a face in each corner, or why streamers overlay their gaming with a their face on a webcam. We like faces.

Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

#43

This seems to have a glaring flaw in that a fake AI generated person could have a real-world doppelganger, which a tyrannical government could mistakenly arrest, or worse.

But since it's publicly known that the faces are fake, the government isn't going to try to use them to identify anyone.

Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

#44
Why even bother with this? I understand to preserve facial expressions, but why not fully use actors or sacrifice “the art” of it all and hide the faces completely. This opens up the possibility of reversing the inference of the face-swapping AI and generating the original face.

Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

#45
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A "glaring flaw" because of some extreme and unlikely scenario? Why would governments be using AI modified content to look for people to arrest? Is this really a serious risk to dissuade using it? Seems pretty unlikely that it simultaneously a) exclusively be used as the source + b) actually matches someone IRL.

> Why would governments be using this content to look for people to arrest? Why wouldn't oppressive regimes that are arresting dissidents review footage of dissidents that makes them look bad? Harassing reporters and their sources is a very common way to suppress information. Scientology does it, why wouldn't a government? https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbehar/2020/08/05/sciento...

> Why wouldn't oppressive regimes that are arresting dissidents review footage of dissidents that makes them look bad?

Because the faces aren’t real? They want to arrest dissidents not random people.

Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

#46

What happens if the fake looks like a real person.

Our civilization already has trouble agreeing on facts. And this is another step to further blur that.

The article has positive things to say about protecting protestors, but I see a tool used to blatantly manufacture facts.

Might as well make it obviously fake, or be honest about how this is art. Otherwise, it’s propoganda, whether as a tool for establishment or as a tool for activists.

Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

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post #33

Why West can promote separatists, terrorists and internal divisions with zero consequences? If Texas had a separatist movement that wanted to start a civil war to secede from the United States do you think it wouldn't be crushed? The United Kingdom is the worst offender in this, they violently repressed any revolutionary attempt in their colonies. Honk Kong is a chinese teritory, end of story. Like Texas, or the city…

Two wrongs don't make one right. While your first two paragraphs are correct your conclusion is totally bonkers.

There is only one wrong, which is the story of western nations (the british mainly, but all of Europe to a lesser extent) and non western (Japan) colonizing, invading, and exploiting China as a colony. Honk Kong was taken from China and only restituted in 1997. That the BBC, the main promoter of british colonialism talks about the honk kong protests as if they were some "heroic" people, is just imperialism in the 21th Century. Plain and simple. Is disgusting. The british invaded and subjugated the chinese for centuries, took their land from them, and now they have the nerve to try and stir internal rebellions? Are you so deep into imperialist ideology that you cannot see what this is? China has absolute right to govern over their lawful territories, which include Honk Kong and Macao. Western powers cannot continue exercising imperialism in the 21th century.

This is absolutely disgusting. If China was trying to incite rebellions in british territories, promoting the views and opinions of independentist terrorists, what would be your opinion? What would be the opinion of "the media"?

Is simply disgusting, plain and simple imperialism.

Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

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post #33

Why West can promote separatists, terrorists and internal divisions with zero consequences? If Texas had a separatist movement that wanted to start a civil war to secede from the United States do you think it wouldn't be crushed? The United Kingdom is the worst offender in this, they violently repressed any revolutionary attempt in their colonies. Honk Kong is a chinese teritory, end of story. Like Texas, or the city…

You said "The United Kingdom is the worst offender in this, they violently repressed any revolutionary attempt in their colonies." And they you said it is fine that China does it? Hong Kong is more like Puerto Rico than like Texas. However, people from Hong Kong don't want to live under the ccp, while Puerto Ricans complain they arent better integrated to the US. Go figure.

China has not reached the level of brutality that the british inflicred upon the world, not by far.

But there is also a key difference: Honk Kong is China. China didn't invade Honk Kong, is not a colony, is simply another chinese region.

What bussiness did the british have in India? Would you consider India a "legitimate" british territory, or a colony? Same with Puerto Rico, it is a colony, what bussiness does the USA have in Puerto Rico? Is not part of their natural geographical territory, they are simply colonies. The same cannot be said about Honk Kong. Is as chinese as Alaska is american or the Canary islands are Spanish and so on.

The british and american media are promoting independentism, terrorism and civil war to cause internal conflict in peaceful nations. That has always been their strategy when they cannot subjugate a nation by force. Promote conflict, war, divisions, invent excuses to invade, to boycott, to embargo. Blame others of what you do.

This is simply imperialism against China. Honk Kong is chinese territory, plain and simple, and western nationd have no bussiness promoting civil wars or independentism in foreign nations. This is not the 19 and 20th century anymore. Colonialism and imperialism are simply unnaceptable.

Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why would governments be using this content to look for people to arrest? Why wouldn't oppressive regimes that are arresting dissidents review footage of dissidents that makes them look bad? Harassing reporters and their sources is a very common way to suppress information. Scientology does it, why wouldn't a government? https://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbehar/2020/08/05/sciento...

> Why wouldn't oppressive regimes that are arresting dissidents review footage of dissidents that makes them look bad? Because the faces aren’t real? They want to arrest dissidents not random people.

> Because the faces aren’t real? They want to arrest dissidents not random people.

How can you tell? The entire point of the GP's comment is that they could be mistaken.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33735239

Re: BBC documentary used face-swapping AI to hide protesters' identities

#50

It says in the article that the faces are swapped with those of actors. Are those something like film actors? Because that would actually be amazing, completely dodging the drawback several commenters here have mentioned that faces of innocent people could be used. Actors faces are already public. Then again,I would probably be pissed when my face would be used as a mask to say something I might not agree with. Inter…

> Interesting question if that is ethical or not.

It's likely not ethical, and I'm confident it's probably illegal. For example, can you setup a billboard at the side of a highway with Tom Hank's face on it and a quote that speaks to anti-trans rights, has a homophobic remark, or perhaps an anti-CCP statement? Probably not.

I'd say this is no different.

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