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Re: Oh, the Places Your Apple ID Will Go

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Post by verisimi »

Lukas_Skywalker wrote: post #18
simonh wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I strongly disagree that the iOS App Store should be treated as an "internet service" It’s entire purpose is to look up data and download stuff across the internet. How can it not be an internet service? How much use could it be if it was cut off from internet connectivity, what would you even do in it?

Sure, it requires internet for it to work, just as the phone itself requires cellular service so you can make a call. Calling is still part of the phone. Of how much use is an iPhone without the App Store? You can still use the preinstalled apps, but your expectation as a consumer is that you can install new apps. This expectation is broken without the App Store.

With a name like yours, I was expecting you to point this out:

"These are not device analytics, they are services analytics."

"These Are Not the Droids You Are Looking For"

Re: Oh, the Places Your Apple ID Will Go

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Post by verisimi »

BLKNSLVR wrote: post #37
nonrandomstring wrote: post #13

I see a lot of very intelligent people here unable to agree upon a matter that seems, in essence, simple enough. That is in itself troubling and partly answers a question. If developers on Hacker News cannot fathom whether Apple deceptively transmitted PII, or whether zealous journalists are over-egging the pudding, then we have another problem. Obfuscation is a form of deception through complexity. It can be hard to…

I think this can be explained by simple denial; Apple's reality distortion field, or some variation on "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it." Maybe not salary, but a foundational world view, much like religion. I mean, people on HN will argue that it's wrong to block ads, a point of view that only makes sense to me through the lens of the above quo…

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Re: Oh, the Places Your Apple ID Will Go

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Post by mtts »

rahoulb wrote: post #20
newaccount74 wrote: post #7

Can someone explain why the App Store doesn't show the "Ask App Not To Track" dialog? Why do 3rd party apps have to ask for permission to track, but Apple's apps do not?

I read somewhere (sorry can't remember where but it was quite recent) that Apple has defined "tracking" as "allowing third parties to monitor you over multiple sites and apps". My that definition, Apple, as a first party, is not tracking you (and likewise, I can monitor you over my apps but not allow anyone else access to that data) UPDATE: It was from AppStore Connect itself, when you fill out the privacy data form.…

This definition is not necessarily wrong. It’s easier for them to argue that they need telemetry to provide (and improve) their own services than it is to argue some third party advertising behemoth needs it. The former is perfectly acceptable, also according to the GDPR (first party advertising is also A-Ok according to he GDPR, btw).

Re: Oh, the Places Your Apple ID Will Go

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Post by quickthrower2 »

yreg wrote: post #35
cmeacham98 wrote: post #4

> I may be getting something wildly wrong here, but I am not sure I see the presence of this Apple ID proxy in Apple’s services logs to be a violation of either its own policies or users’ expectations for using internet services in general. I strongly disagree that the iOS App Store should be treated as an "internet service" rather than a part of the device. The iOS App Store only comes on iOS devices, it comes on al…

Devil's advocate: Contrary to explorer.exe, App Store is an internet service in the sense that it requires sending requests to backend for pretty much any user action. There is zero functionality without a data connection.

Windows is now entirely an internet service as you need a microsoft account and internet connection to install it.

Re: Oh, the Places Your Apple ID Will Go

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Post by lapcat »

Some trivia: the "DS" in DSID is "Directory Services", which is a giant Apple-internal database. Apple employees and contractors have a DSID too. It's basically a database of all people that Apple knows, and it's very old.

Re: Oh, the Places Your Apple ID Will Go

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Post by coldtea »

RektBoy wrote: post #22

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>They blindly trust in Apple security. I spoke with people and they think you can't have an exploit/virus for iOS. Lol.

Statistically they are right.

Such exploits are so few and insignificant that they doesn't really matter...

It's more like the danger of dying from swallowing your food. It exists, but it's not really something you need to worry about...

Re: Oh, the Places Your Apple ID Will Go

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #44
yreg wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devil's advocate: Contrary to explorer.exe, App Store is an internet service in the sense that it requires sending requests to backend for pretty much any user action. There is zero functionality without a data connection.

Windows is now entirely an internet service as you need a microsoft account and internet connection to install it.

You don’t, they try to obscure it but you can still install without a Microsoft Account.

Re: Oh, the Places Your Apple ID Will Go

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Post by Semaphor »

quickthrower2 wrote: post #44
yreg wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Devil's advocate: Contrary to explorer.exe, App Store is an internet service in the sense that it requires sending requests to backend for pretty much any user action. There is zero functionality without a data connection.

Windows is now entirely an internet service as you need a microsoft account and internet connection to install it.

Source? Because last I checked, local accounts were discouraged but worked.

Re: Oh, the Places Your Apple ID Will Go

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Post by Ensorceled »

knorl wrote: post #21

This "Directory Services Identifier" is not sent outside of Apple's services though right? And only sent to Apple services that need to know the identity of the user? If so I'm wondering what the issue is here.

The issue is that iCloud knows that I'm the same Apple user coming to get my files from iCloud as accessed the App Store!!! With my Apple account!

Wait ... I'm also not sure what the issue is.

Fundamentally this is only a problem because Apple is too big and controls the App Store, iCloud and all the rest of your device. This is a reasonable artifact of an unreasonable situation.

I also think Apple is too big but I'm more concerned about Big Pharma, Big Oil, Big Banks, Ad Tech, Growing Fascism, ... Big Apple is a worry way down on my list.

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